Think of it like paying for lessons. You’ll learn quite a bit getting your ass destroyed by a guy like that, you might find out that you do a bit better than you could’ve thought… all because you put up money to find that shit out.
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Other than gambling is gambling, and it can be fun, I also have to agree with this quote. I don’t play Marvel at all, but the point is valid. I have many friends that hustle pool. More than one of them at one time or another has played for a fair amount of money against a famous player they knew they couldn’t beat.
Example: A good friend of mine (a very good player as well) met Mike Massey in Vegas. Offered to play him $100 a rack, knowing he couldn’t make any money off of it. They played around 10 games, he won 3 of them. He learned ALOT from playing those games. Mike Massey would not have given lessons like that for $700.
Point being you can’t learn high level anything, without playing someone better than you. I know there is more money to be made in pool, but the point is valid.
I also used to play SF in the mid 90’s for between $1 and $5 a game for fun. It isn’t much money, but it sure made it more interesting.
I agree with your points somewhat. But if I’m going to Evo, I’m going to scope out those Japanese players and try to play them first. Jwong always comes second to them. :lol:
I also agree that it’s entirely up to Jwong to only do money matches. I mean… does he have any other source of income? :lol: (Bad joke) Then again, it must be the gambling spirit. Putting vast sums of money up on a game means you have what it takes, not only in the game but outside as well.
ditto because back in the day when he ( I mean j.wong ) was just starting to get into the kof scene me and my crew saw him and played him and his crew and beat him but the thing was that no-one put any money on the line because things happen when you put money on the line sometimes.
I perfectly understand that top players enjoy to play other top players a lot more than mid/low level people. But then, it’s not that they are superior beings or something like that. If you don’t want to waste your time playing random scrubs, that’s fine, just set up some casuals with other top players with no other people allowed in the line, it’s not that hard (and there’s a ton of possible excuses you can make). I understand MM’ing after words of hate on a forum or what so.
All of this is acceptable.
But taking money from people you’re 100% sure of beating, from people that maybe live in an area with no competition and always dreamed have a game against a famed top player just to try what does it feel? I would feel guilty. I never turned down a request to play from a lesser player. And in turn, when I went to places where I was the lesser player, no one turned me down or asked money. I’m really glad of living here after reading all of this. I mean, it’s a game. When Hayao came to Europe last year, he was beating me so easily it was embarrassing. Yet he never denied me a game. And he was perhaps among the top 10 3s players in Japan at the time, an achievement that takes huge dedication - and yet he was still aware that it’s just a game. It’s a matter of style.
I think ppl are making money matches to serious. U should have fun when u play not put everything on the line. Losing money sucks. And your being stupid doing it for amounts really large. (like 20 or more)
Sometimes its fun. If i see a friend i havnt played in a while i may popeyes match him because hell win or lose it was fun playing and i know it would be fun to create a little hype, plus i dont have to money match its just something fun to do. I only do it to people i know or particularly havnt seen in a while.
It doesnt have to be money is basically what im saying lol. It can be something else. We gamers need our money to enter more tourneys and other shit. Id rather lose my money in Poker or some other form of gambling.
Last thing i did that was like a money match was a more of a deal, i lost in a 3s match so i now gotta play CVS2 in the next tourney… Stuff like that. I made the deal to add a little excitment thats all.
but yea… money match is lame. not like the money you earn at fighting game tournaments in any form is enough to make a living out of anyway. so why rep it hard like it matters so much?
unless you’re reallllyyyy broke, but then you probably shouldn’t be wasting time traveling to tournaments in the first place.
Ive played Justin in 3s casuals, it was fun. But in all honesty i have nothing against small money matchs like up to 100 at the most. Small mms against friends and the whatnot can give braggin rights and stuff. Anything greater than that is unneccesary, it just becomes all hype and nothing more.
Playing MMs is like why people go to the Casino to lose thousands of dollars. It’s their money, they really shouldn’t be critcized for doing what they want. It’s gambling. Like how people like to play Texas Hold Em’ for money. That’s not the kind of game you play for fun, as clearly not many people will try very hard. The fact is, its human nature to put a little more effort when something is on the line.
well, i wouldn’t call it gambling. when nothing’s on the line, i play for fun. as topic starter said, win or lose, gg. money matches are basically the best we’ve got to simulate a tourney match w/o meeting up with said person in the brackets. when i want to play someone seriously, you mm. sure they can sandbag, but whoever can afford to sandbag in mm’s is someone who probably doesn’t value their money much.
I dont know if this has been mentioned, but money matches are indeed one of the best ways to show whos better. It eliminates the “I wasn’t trying” excuse because no one is going to dick around with money on the line.
I’d say the thing you have to understand is that some people use gaming as a major source of their income. Teams don’t go to CPL playing counter strike just for kicks. They go for the phat amounts of prize money.
In terms of tournaments like EVO and such, the prizes aren’t always as big, so if you can make some more money off of MM’s, why not do it?
I look at the concept of the Money Match as being something to boost motivation. As I’m sure many of the better players within their particular specialty can attest, you rarely play at your very best when you’re used to being able to beat people at less than your full skill level. Even in tournaments, you don’t necessarily take your matches seriously until you’re up against someone you know can legitimately beat you (thus knocking you out of the tournament and killing your chance at that prize money) or you’re down a game and it’s like a reality check to play your best.
While the arguement can be made that better players should always be looking for the win and money shouldn’t be the primary factor to play your best, I’m sure we can all agree that our community is lazy as a whole and thus would never bother to play at their best without proper motivation.
The amount of money being thrown around of late has been a tad on the ubsurd side (of course that’s relative) but if it’s within the means of the players, then I don’t see what the problem is. If one player makes a “big” money match for $20 and the other makes a “big” money match for $2000, the amount isn’t so much the issue so much as how much it really impacts the player. It all comes down to motivation in the end, what is going to push you to perform at your best.
Nigga please, when it’s my turn to play,regardless of who it is, i put my quarter in and press start. If he doesnt like it then he can walk away. The top players may be good, but they don’t own the machine.