the angry scrub strikes again :lol:
i hate every game i suck aT!
Maybe after everyone starts parrying my stuff… Ill start smacking the buttons to a different beat on every parry to mess em up… really smooth ya, a new kind of strategy. :lame:
Spectator: what is this? SF beatmania? 
No worries Paulee… Remember back when Dan used to jack us with it at UCLA with head fakes and all sorts of stuff? (Sin, Tinder, Adverse know what i’m talking about) Good job anyway and good luck in japan.
Well since it seems as tho everyone thinks it’s legal, lets start mashing Victor. Heh. And when the time comes, you’ll get your chance so don’t worry. Let’s just forget about it, you and Paul are both really good players, and friends…and he apologized so what can we do??
maybe some sort of h2h, but next to each other (i.e. the joysticks are on seperate mounts), that way there’s definately no case of physically altering your opponents moves, but the gamesmanship can still go on.
Apoc, let’s lay some of the cards on the table.
I suppose one of my pet peeves is when the buttons get unnecessarily mashed, because I work at an arcade and it makes me wince when the buttons get trashed on like that.
I also don’t taunt, except in casual play against my friends. I suppose there’s the line between playing the game, and then using real-life and in-game taunts as emotional manipulation. I tend not to cross that line because then the game isn’t a game anymore, it’s a personal fight that doesn’t end when the game ends. One could say that results are all that matter. However, I’ve seen more than my fair share of instances where one guy took the match personally because of, say, in-game taunts, and then when the other kid got shoved around, their defense was, “It’s only a game!”
True, taunts are in the game, but I feel that they’re more of a last resort for when you want to cross the line.
And where do we draw the line? How far do you go before someone will say, “You can act like you’re about to smash your opponent’s hands as long as you don’t touch them”? That sounds patently absurd.
The reason I bring taunts in is that, like faked motions and loud noises, they bring the ‘fight’ outside of the ‘videogame’, as you said.
So to sum up my philosophy Apoc, it could be some bullshit form of honor of mine, but I keep the game within the game, not turn it into a personal battle. Sure, I’ll push the game to its very limits, i.e. tick-throwing like nuts in old-school SF, 'cause it’s in the game. And, I admit, I do use the occasional false-telegraph hand motion- but it’s not something I rely on because I do also play on linked cabinets at arcades here and I’d rather focus on my skills and in-game reaction time which applies to both head-to-head and linked cabinets, than on a skill that may or may not be useful depending on the setup.
Now, to be perfectly fair, nobody said that console-smashing was illegal, and Paul did play within the stated rules. Which is technically what you’re supposed to do- push the rules to the limit. Otherwise we’d never have infinites and roll-cancelling and hell, probably even super-cancelling.
I suppose from here on out, whether one decides to use outside-tactics is his/her choice, but the responsibility of being able to see through them will lie upon everyone, without the need for mutual agreement. Now that the initial shock is over, the chances of everyone being duped by it lessens considerably.
But for a team that’s being assembled to go to Japan? I’d want players who can beat the Japanese by their own rules. The ideal setup would’ve been a head-to-head setup, but that sort of thing is infeasible here in the US at this point in time.
I had a lot of fun at the SBO qualifiers, and I hope that there is another one next year as well. To all that I played:
To Masaka… I need some cammy practice… same goes to you too JChen, I NEED SOME CAMMY PRACTICE!!! LOL
To DWright… I got lucky, but we had a pretty good match i thought. Cant wait till next time.
To Valle… we had a good match, and it was luck (being that the cannons forgot to enter me in the 3rd tourney!:P), and a win against a very good honda (Chris Li) that I got to face you. But I thought that I put up a good fight, and I know that if I have to face you again–in EVO2003 perhaps–that I will do my best again to win.
To Shirts… … … umm… I NEED SOME SIM PRACTICE!!! LOL (You hear that Cole!!)
To Tragic… you were the only Blanka there, and you have a good blanka. I NEED SOME BLANKA PRACTICE!!! LOL
To DSirlin… I dont mean this condescendingly, but good luck at the next big ST tourney (just obviously not against me). Hell, good luck to me too shit… …its not like I won any of the 3 tourneys. Anyways, take care till next time.
To all the ST players that showed up:
Peace, and ST Forever Baby!
The ST tourneys were great. Is anyone still around to get together for some more ST?? 
holy shit, where have you been? lol
Arlieth,
On the subject of taunts. I’ve always considered them a fun, in-game way of disrespect. Now, I know taunts aren’t like that in all games. They are more like specials in 3s I think. But, on the all-around, I’ve always used it to insult a person who is running away or who really needs to enhance their game. If someone gets a taunt off on me for free, then my attacking game is lacking. When someone taunts, they are wide open on most games. Taunting is like saying: “you are not a threat so I can risk giving you a free hit.” or “You’re not fighting so I will get a full taunt off to show how weak you’re playing.” If you can find that a3 match from Japan of Choi(v-Sak) vs Joe(v-karin) you’ll notice that Joe starts the round with a taunt to which Choi lands one hit. Joe, imo, was letting Choi know that he didn’t feel Choi was a threat. So much so to where he gave him a free opening(I soooooooo forgot to do that back to them at Evo! Ugh). On older games, ppl used to cling to their characters like they were part of their personality. A taunt, is an in game way to show your emotional position. Basically, something in the game to further reflect your personality or attitude. It’s usually a big risk to use one unless the opponent is off of their game. If you get one off, the opponent KNOWS his game is off and he’d better step it up or he’s gonna be getting taunted like a fool all day. It’s like WAKE-UP! Here’s a free shot! Pay attention and fight!
A fight that plays nothing on emotions IS a mere game, not a fight, more like Golf. There are a ton of “games” out there. I’m not into the types of games I enjoyed as a child. Games are meant to be beaten. A human opponent is not. A computer that was intended to be beaten cannot hold my attention as an adult.
See, this isn’t even a boxing game. The title “STREET fighter” alone implies a sense of “anything goes.” You should utilize your cunning and intuition as well as other aspects. Damn, I remember Guile throwing sand in Ken’s face on a vid and that’s a move of Cody’s. You are supposed to play mentally dirty imo. Otherwise, it’s just like any other videogame. I call to attention this line of yours:“I tend not to cross that line because then the game isn’t a game anymore, it’s a personal fight that doesn’t end when the game ends.”
I think that says it right there. It’s the difference between whether you want to play a mere game or if you want to play a “streetfighting” game. It does make each match a personal fight and that’s part of its’ wonders. Every opponent will be different despite their mastery of their character because things affect us all differently emotionally. In life, I think it’s good to learn control over your impulses and emotions and that’s something that can be learned by intense American style sf play. As for this part:“it’s a personal fight that doesn’t end when the game ends.” I have to disagree. If it doesn’t end on the game, then there is a maturity issue here. I recall when sf2 was first popular, there were a ton of immature brats starting fights over things like throws. That’s simply a difference between the mature and immature. No matter how mentally dirty the game can get, only someone acting like an idiot is going to maintain the fight in their head OFF of the game. Granted, there are some ppl like this. Hopefully they grow up one day. I’m not going to blame myself for how someone let the game affect their mentality when they’re off the game. That’s something one needs to learn for themselves. I go to a cade to play SF not to babysit or stroke the egos of the immature. If they can’t handle the games without taking the fight off the game, they are either immature or an idiot(at least acting like one at the time).
I can’t say that playing without the mindgames is better simply because there are those that are too immature to leave it on the game. I’m also not one to adjust myself for someone else’s personality. The fact that some act like this has little bearing(imo) on what should be allowable in a game. Ppl push the rules in sports and you see attitudes develop right there on the court of a bball game. The majority brush it off like men. I wouldn’t change the way I play if I feel it’s a superior fight(rather than just a game) for those that refuse to act in an adult-like manner. That said, the game and all its’ attitudes were meant for fun. I don’t think capcom intended taunts to be used to “cross the line.”
“And where do we draw the line? How far do you go before someone will say, “You can act like you’re about to smash your opponent’s hands as long as you don’t touch them”? That sounds patently absurd.”
I say the line is clearly drawn. You don’t do anything to mess with the controls physically. I mean really, what if your opponent happens to fart at the climax of a tense match? You can act like Terrance and Philip and giggle and lose or you can whoop his ass while holding your breath and then get the heck outta there after the KO. If you lose because of the fart, what are you gonna do? Sure, that’s really low if done on purpose. What if it was an accident that just happened at the wrong time? Sure, this is extreme, still, the line is clear. Just like in basketball or other physical sports like fighting, getting into the opponents head is a skill that directly affects the outcome ala Foreman vs Ali. It’s a trick. Misdirection. Making them pay attention to things that aren’t necessary. The ONLY reason it even affects an opponent is if they fail to focus. It’s the difference between training(playing the game or with friends casually) and a real fight(tourney play). When it’s for real, it gets much dirtier. The line is drawn when you are directly affecting the opponents controls or affecting the opponents ability to remain at those controls. That’s as clear as it gets. Mashing and wiggling the stick is fine. Moving the machine itself should get you disqualified. Talking shit should be fine. Yelling in your opponents ear gets you disqualified. Taunting is fine. Hitting your opponents taunt button…etc.
Ppl used to think throws were cheap or cheesy. Why would one appease these narrow-minded individuals. Winning on block damage is called cheap or cheesy by the game itself now. Should we all be trying to win without the use of block damage? Of course not. You’re supposed to get down and dirty. It IS only a game. In that game you are supposed to have the mentality of a street fight. Anything goes.
“The reason I bring taunts in is that, like faked motions and loud noises, they bring the ‘fight’ outside of the ‘videogame’, as you said”
I need to clarify. It adds to the game. It doesn’t bring it outside of the game. It’s what makes the game a fight rather than a mere game like other things you would find on a console. It’s something the individual brings to the game. Each individual utilizes these things differently. Makes it much more interesting when you are facing 10 different Kens. It’s just part of what draws me into the fight rather than just fighting Ken now, I’m fighting “”'s Ken! Skill is something that comes with practice. Subtle mindgames are more individual aside from those that ol skool has made famous(fireball motions with short and the like).
As for what’s valuable on head to head? I have no probs on head to head. There are other fakes that wouldn’t work if you were right next to eachother. I think knowing both ways is valuable. I prefer side by side where you’re in your opponents “physical comfort zone.” Whether you believe in sending vibes or not, it works. You can’t send vibes when a person is 5ft away. Sending vibes that are received without any physical representation of that vibe is VERY deep. That has nothing to do with machine faking but can’t be accomplished when the opponent is far away. I mean, what kind of one on one fight is it when you completely detach from real fighting elements? To me, that makes sf a mere game no better than any other. It’s the interaction of the players with the game and eachother that bring about the “fight” experience for me.
We differ here and that’s cool. Perhaps had I been raised on sf differently I might think differently but, I agree to disagree and opinions are opinions.
"Now, to be perfectly fair, nobody said that console-smashing was illegal, and Paul did play within the stated rules. Which is technically what you’re supposed to do- push the rules to the limit. "
That’s all that really matters. Was Paul shady in an evil sense or merely cunning when it counted. I don’t think cheating won him his spot here and perhaps Vic will be more focused in the clutch next time. I still think it was petty to have brought it up when there was no blatant illegalities present. That’s what I call being a sore loser. It’s one thing to blame the fact that Paul attempted to distract him, it’s another thing to blame Paul for directly causing him to mess up. No, to me, that’s lack of clutch under pressure. That’s nothing more than missing a free throw because the crowd was noisy and blaming it on the crowd. The ability to tune out distractions is part of SF. He doesn’t have that skill yet. Back to the lab. Don’t come in here trying to act as if you should’ve won. THAT is petty and the fact that Paul had to apologize is ridiculous. Paul is just a nice guy though. I’m sorry Vic felt cheated but…he wasn’t. Not from anything I’ve read.
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Darnm still didn’t fit.
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“But for a team that’s being assembled to go to Japan? I’d want players who can beat the Japanese by their own rules. The ideal setup would’ve been a head-to-head setup, but that sort of thing is infeasible here in the US at this point in time.”
I think the ability to use everything at your disposal is more necessary. If you have that ability and think with all seeing eyes, playing on head to head will be more natural for you as opposed to someone who’s never played on head to head and having them get owned by types of styles they have never heard of. The ability to use everything while controlling your composure will allow you to thrive better in a foreign environment. You’re more adept at adjusting to different sets of issues whether you’ve encountered them or not. Without that, we don’t have a chance.
In my opinion, it’s about time we STOP facing Japan ONLY in their way of playing. I think USA vs Japan should be done both on h2h AND side by side. Afterall, we all can see that they are totally different. So why are we always starting with a further disadvantage. They get the games first, the data, more comp etc. Why then, do we compete ONLY on their format? Ridiculous. That is the only downfall I see to US international tournies like Evo. If I were to compete in Japan I would expect to play on h2h. When they come here, they should expect to play side by side. I don’t see them accomodating for our style at all. Of course, I understand that it’s much harder to get both kinds of sticks in one cabinet. Just saying. heheh.
We can all enjoy the games in our own way and I’m all for disagreement. The real point here was whether or not Paul was shady or “cheated” in a sense. If this was in Japan…I could see the confusion. But this is tourney play in America and the simple fact is that either Vic wasn’t prepared for it or he wanted to whine because he didn’t want to take responsibility for his own lack of focus. Again, I don’t see ball players shaking their fist at the crowd when they miss a freethrow. How ridiculous is that? Focus and don’t allow distraction to get through. That’s all I can say there. This is American SF. There should’ve been no initial shock. Even GAMEPRO wrote about it. Don’t tell me slasher quan has a better understanding of American SF than this guy Vic. It’s kind of like knowing that crouch cancels are legal and then whining about losing to an infinite one. He should’ve known this may occur before entering the tourney.
Anyway, I hope we can all agree that Paul’s a nice guy who will represent us well both as a player and as a person. Who knows? Vic may make the team next year.
Apoc.
man, if someone taunted me i would do my best to beat them down. To me thats like saying, basically what apoc said, “Your so weak, I’ll give you a free combo and still own your ass”. Thats when I have to fight seriously. But on to the point. Good shit to paul. And those japanese announcers arn’t rooting on the players for whoever said that. They’re building the tension of the match so its more enjoyable for the crowd. Yea it builds your tension when you hear the anouncer go, “blah blah blah GROUND VIPER blah blah 24 HITS blah blah OMG!!!” Since its in japanese and you only hear the moves, man thats gotta be crazy. lol
Chaotic Blue
p.s. if you want to hear some examples of japanese announcers going at it, get sammy cup semi finals Johnny vrs. Sol. Those guys are rediculas!
I watched the videotape and there are a few things about the “incident” that I would like to clear up.
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The “incident” happens at the end of the first round of a match. It is still possible for Vic to win, even after this happens.
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Paulee was so excited/violent that he startles the cameraman. (I wasn’t the one videotaping, but it looks like the cameraman almost puts the camera down to check on Paulee’s commotion). I would like to see what the video from the other two people that video-taped it looks like. Vic does 3 parries after the machine banging occurs, and then gets hit by the tail end of the super.
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The reason Paulee gets so excited is because he did “hail mary gamepro super from half a screen away” twice before and Vic parried the string into Back+Fierce-Kikoken-SAII. Paulee was getting excited and banging the machine because it looked like he was going to lose the round because he was doing this yet again.
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Paulee apologizes to Vic as soon as Vic misses the parry. He keeps saying that he is sorry until Round 2 begins.
do i know you erco?
Well there you have it.
Paul Lee apologized, ha said he was sorry.
Much props Paul, good shit!! Represent that shit in Japan.
Fuck what all these haters have to say.
You still my #1 hero in 3S, next to Gee-O of course.
Laters fool. See you in Japan. Peace Out!!
Congradulations everyone. Nice job Tragic. Too bad there wasn’t any mvc2 qualifiers though 
Off-Topic
I was looking for Fares to Tokyo, Japan and i found that if your a Travel Agent (With An IATAN card) it’s only $99 ROUND-TRIP:eek: .
Bonus(If Your Not a Travel Agent):In case you have a friend that is a T.agent you can go along with them for $175,thats more than the agent, but alot less than what you would have to pay normally.
erco = Eric, ucla uber scrub
I agree with Apoc. When Japan comes here, they should play on our cabs, and vice versa. In the long run, it makes everyone stronger, because they can play on any configuration they come across. Japan has already shown that they can own us on our side-by-sides setups. N-Cubed was clear evidence of that, even though we tried real hard to get the Japanese sticks to work and play properly in an American cabinet…
but anyways, does anyone have any sbo 3s footage from this tourney, they’d sell or trade?