Official SRK Ultra SF4 Rebalance Request Thread

They should only nerf VIper’s damage and stun slightly imo. Keep all her tools the same, I don’t think making her have to guess one more time correctly is gonna make her drop in the tier list.

Akuma does require very good execution and his setups are a lot harder than viper’s imo. Akuma requires different timing for demonflip kicks on a lot of different characters and spacing is a big issue. To make Akuma’s vortex safe and effective requires a lot of time in training room, not any less work compared to viper. Mastering his safe jump palm is not very easy too and viper doesn’t rely on safe jumps as much as Akuma does.

lol you’re calling me a douche for being realistic? lol stay mad. and as for yang, i’m happy with the way he is :slight_smile:

For fuck’s sake, if you are going to be a trolling faggot at least be good at it.

Rose:

  1. Ultra 1 startup faster (9 frame startup instead of 12)
  2. HP reflect with a bigger hitbox so it can be used as an Anti-Air
    . make it so the opponent only (NOT THE PROJECTILE) goes less further so we don’t need to FADC for a soul throw
  3. EX Soul Spiral fully invincible (have 13 frame of invincibility instead of 11 frames)
  4. Ultra 2 with hitbox like in Super and 5 frame startup
  5. All Soul Throws startup decreased by 1 frame
  6. Meter gain from soul sparks back
  7. Sweep from Vanilla back
  8. Hitbox on Soul Piede back from vanilla

crouch fierce from rose not good enough huh

vega beats it
sakura beats it
bison beats it
blanka can at least trade with it

I guess not
oh and fei long beats it too :slight_smile:

I guess a handful of characters means it’s doomed.

You’re not alone on this Sakura and Vega beats a lot of normal anti airs.

dont forget my […]
it means that more character beats it / trades with it too :slight_smile:

lol a small amount of matchups you at least know not to bother. I’d trade you in a heartbeat

Yes and no.

Akuma’s execution comes from a different source than Viper. Akuma’s combo are easy to do. Hell most his stuff is easy in terms of pressing buttons.

Where his execution becomes difficult is in his various pressure scemes. Many of his set ups require frame perfect timing and many of his vortex tools and also require precise spacing. It can be the difference between a well done mix up or safe jump and eating a reversal into ultra.

In addition Akuma has a really high learning curve. You can’t hide your lack of knowledge with Akuma like you can with others.

I have been playing both Viper and Akuma as of late. They are both very difficult charaters to master for two very different reasons.

I like Viper the way she is now. >_>

my point was, why not just buff its hitbox instead of hp reflect.

if they buffed reflect, wouldnt it just auto combo into ex soul throw. not that rose couldnt use it or anything

edit- after rereading, i see that is what you were going for. how much damage would that do?

thats not too diferent from other characters mixups. most require some frame perfect set ups. its not akuma exclusive

I guarentee Akuma has way more of them than others and on top ofbthat pays for mistakes way harder than others.

by increasing the hitbox rose will be able to connect it from other normals than cr.lp and cr.hp…
it would also give the move more purpose against non-fireball characters

if we could go for a simple cr.hp xx soul reflect into soul throw it will do 278 damage

i.ll give you that. still wouldnt call him high execution. sim, fuerte, gen, viper, makoto, hakan…

agree to disagree

im talking just reflect, soul throw. how much is that. im trying to see how much damage she would get in a practical AA situation

reflect into soul throw does 210 damage

thats not possibly a little high for a meterless AA you get anytime someone jumps?

not to mention all the meter you would build doing 2 specials on hit

Fair enough. This is justmy opinion having mained him for the last two years.

Damn now I have to find something else to talk about. Sitting in a car for 3 days makes the arguments fun. :slight_smile:

Let’s talk about buffing Hakan some more.