Official SRK Ultra SF4 Rebalance Request Thread

[cerberusfx]

thats not possibly a little high for a meterless AA you get anytime someone jumps?

not to mention all the meter you would build doing 2 specials on hit

well imo overall rose isnt someone that does big damage
infact she has the lowest damage average since vanilla
akuma’s tatsu into hp srk does 220 and that’s not his only move if he wants to apply big damage

but regardless of damage / meter build I was more looking into how to give rose other, better options
right now any versions of reflect can be beaten easily and it would be nice to see it being used in other ways
maybe giving it more active frames instead of a bigger hitbox would do the trick…

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[otori]

thats not possibly a little high for a meterless AA you get anytime someone jumps?

not to mention all the meter you would build doing 2 specials on hit

To be fair, Cody can get 230 if he does HK Ruffian. If it’s high enough you can follow up with MK Ruffian (and even HK Ruffian again sometimes) and on trade you can also dash up and follow up the same way. Also if you consider trades, characters like Akuma, E. Ryu, Fei Long, Sagat and maybe others probably can break the 200 mark for AAing.

Personally, I’m all for upping damage and punishing people even more for doing stupid stuff like blindily jumping in. Upping the reward for the guy who properly AA’s is a good move, imo.

[HNIC_Mike]

To be fair, Cody can get 230 if he does HK Ruffian. If it’s high enough you can follow up with MK Ruffian (and even HK Ruffian again sometimes) and on trade you can also dash up and follow up the same way. Also if you consider trades, characters like Akuma, E. Ryu, Fei Long, Sagat and maybe others probably can break the 200 mark for AAing.

Personally, I’m all for upping damage and punishing people even more for doing stupid stuff like blindily jumping in. Upping the reward for the guy who properly AA’s is a good move, imo.

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well, those are trades. so if she links a trade, its whatever. also, akuma isnt AAing people with tatsus. if you want her to have more damage in bnb combos, thats a different discussion

and you cant really compare the situations between rose and cody. what does cody have to make you jump at him anyway. his mid range ground control is pretty much ass. giving a super strong (dmg)AA to a character that controls the ground well already would be bad IMO.

think about matches where the opponent dosent have answers to rose on the ground. honda for example. whats he gonna do with rose if she gets 210 every time he jumps

[cerberusfx]

well, those are trades. so if she links a trade, its whatever. also, akuma isnt AAing people with tatsus. if you want her to have more damage in bnb combos, thats a different discussion

and you cant really compare the situations between rose and cody. what does cody have to make you jump at him anyway. his mid range ground control is pretty much ass. giving a super strong (dmg)AA to a character that controls the ground well already would be bad IMO.

think about matches where the opponent dosent have answers to rose on the ground. honda for example. whats he gonna do with rose if she gets 210 every time he jumps

reflects still have 12-13 frame startups… combined with the recovery of sparks it could still be difficult for her to counter honda with a reflect, specially if honda is close to her…

[HNIC_Mike]

reflects still have 12-13 frame startups… combined with the recovery of sparks it could still be difficult for her to counter honda with a reflect, specially if honda is close to her…

good point.

[stabicron]

Imo Rose’s U2 is still good, you just can’t use it when people are on top of you anymore. Not a big deal with her backdash.

[Endless]

Give Dictator the ability to summon the car and throw it at you

[otori]

well, those are trades. so if she links a trade, its whatever. also, akuma isnt AAing people with tatsus. if you want her to have more damage in bnb combos, thats a different discussion

I’m confused with the akuma tatsu AA thing…

[LoyalSol]

I’m confused with the akuma tatsu AA thing…

Don’t be it isn’t any good compared to Akuma’s ground AA. You can pick someone out of the air with a Tatsu ans juggle, but it loses to a lot of characters air attacks.

[Dias_Flac_0g]

That is where you are wrong. Rose got two ultras more than any other character. So it wasn’t too uncommon for her to use it twice in the same round.

And you didn’t need to use it to be effective. The fact you had it killed any attempt to pressure Rose on wake up. It was retarded and brainless. Even the worst Rose players could use it effectively. It was a completely safe ultra in a game where ultras are unsafe as hell.

The nerf on the orbs was deserved, but I thought the nerf on c.mp was not. Rose needs buffs not retarded crutches. Give her more legit tools to deal with pressure.

Rose needed a decent (which turned out great) wake up move or get off me move.

Now she has nothing aside from backdash.

If they were gonna nerf the orbs to **** why make her other tools weaker? Yet there’s chars like Yun who have pretty much EVERYTHING going for them xDD

I know I wont ever get the orbs back, but some decent buffs to her normals would be nice

[otori]

Don’t be it isn’t any good compared to Akuma’s ground AA. You can pick someone out of the air with a Tatsu ans juggle, but it loses to a lot of characters air attacks.

My point was that Akuma can trade DP and followup with shakunetsu, I don’t know how tatsu got into the discussion, unless I’m missing something.

[cerberusfx]

My point was that Akuma can trade DP and followup with shakunetsu, I don’t know how tatsu got into the discussion, unless I’m missing something.

The point is that as a buff I said it would be great if Rose could use HP reflect as an AA (thus giving it a better hitbox)
He asked how much it would do if I could combo it into soul throw
Then I said that Akuma does around the same damage when he tatsu -> DP

But I think he meant to point that Rose could easily AA someone if we buff her HP soul reflect hitbox and akuma’s tatsu isnt about AA but mostly about combo-ing…which is why my answer about akuma doing tatsu -> DP (combo) doing around the same damage as Rose’s HP Reflect (AA) into Soul Throw wasnt revelant

Well this is what I understood

[otori]

Makes a lot more sense now lol.

[LoyalSol]

My point was that Akuma can trade DP and followup with shakunetsu, I don’t know how tatsu got into the discussion, unless I’m missing something.

Actually no in a lot of situations you can’t trade into shaku. It is specific to a handful of situations. Yun’s cross up dive kick is one such example.

Now you can trade into HK tatsu for an extra 40 damage confidently; however, in most cases if Akuma’s Srk trades you only do 30 or 60 damage off the traded SRK. After the juggle you only do about 70-100. The lp srk will trade for 100 but why use it to trade damage (trades are bad for Akuma) when you have an SRK and AA normals that will stuff air attacks clean with a lot less risk?

Trades don’t work in Akuma’s favor and off most trades they only generate about 100 damage or less. I’ll take the 100-150 off a clean stuff over a trade.

[BshidoHEAT]

Rose doesn’t need invincibility on her U2. That shit was broken, and this is coming from a guy who mained Rose for a year. Full invincibility on EX-Spiral is something that should happen though. U2 needs it’s Super hit boxes back, I can’t even soul throw cross up anymore because of the nerf.
She also doesn’t need buffs to her c.HP, you guys need to seriously start using j.MP (this move is god like air to air) and df.MK more.
Buff U1 so it has some utility like the ability to combo off of HP.reflect.

Everything else is fine, super c.MP would be nice but honestly it’s still pretty good, along with all of her other great normals Rose will be fine.

[pedoviejo]

That would obviously be WAY too easy, at least you can be somewhat mobile with a back charge ultra, Guile’s(and others)downcharge ultras just plain suck, same with vega’s U1.

If they cant make U1 more useful, then at least make U2(Sonic Splash) do DAMAGE again, or startup in less than a half hour. Heck I would even like U1 to at least get a startup frame buff. Guile’s ultras blow.

Its actually a very good Ultra, its his best one, and probably the best triangle motion Ultra in the game.

[Killer_Jigglypuff]

Its actually a very good Ultra, its his best one, and probably the best triangle motion Ultra in the game.

Needs to not get stuffed on the way to the wall, otherwise it’s great.

[BshidoHEAT]

that and it would be nice if the cinematic hit all the time.

[pedoviejo]

Needs to not get stuffed on the way to the wall, otherwise it’s great.

when its used as anti-cross up, anti air it never gets stuffed. Best of all its always guaranteed to land per game.

[caruga]

I really hope they don’t take the approach of “buff everyone” at the expense of actually balancing the game.