Balrog actually can with ultra,heheh!
Still not a good example, also because chun can duck the second hit of akuma’s fs.hk and punish him hard for even using that move
The problem now is that most of Fei’s bad matchups got nerfed. Fei himself as a character hasn’t really changed that much, but all of his peers have gotten hit with the nerf stick pretty hard.
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lollo: That’s why I distinguished ANY c.lp. Ones pre-Ultra aren’t terribly threatening from Rog. At least not as threatening as NO ESCAPUH tagged c.lps.
Not too be prejudice, but most people don’t track Europe as much as Japan. Fei is also a more subtle character, unlike Yun who we can see rape face via him P’ing all over you, Fei is less clear until he starts absolutely shutting down top players.
I still don’t feel any of those things listed above should be nerf worthy for Fei. He’s finely tuned. Nerfing him would only make this game even more annoying to play than it is. c.LP xx Rekka pushing people in is only slightly further from Bison c.LK xx LK Scissor push back. Just that the former has an easier access and can do it a little more frequently.
Gonna sleep. Nice chat up in here. Profanity to a minimum.
Whether they’re tracked or not, the characters abilities have been pretty much fully shown in Europe and the U.S. It just took a big name to put them on the map and get everyone scared about it for no good reason.
The thing about Rog and Chun is I can actually use my sweep to try to punish jab mashing. I can’t against Fei. Although I will say Rog gives Akuma the same problems.
All in all I don’t think you could buff everyone’s normals up to Fei’s level without creating more problems.
And that means nerf him cuz you can’t hit this one dude!!!asdfone1111 But it’s okay if you were about hit him regularly right? Okie dokie.
Im not sure if this has been posted here yet, but i did a video on some move abnormalities Juri has in FSE, it would REALLY help if they were fixed since they dont look like they are intended.
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can we at least make defensive play styles much more viable in this game? Rolling your face on the controller because its safe isn’t great design. No reason safe offense should be dominant and defensive play be irrelevant.
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See I can type a bunch of crap to make someone who disagrees with me look like an idiot too. And in all this crap. AM I WRONG ABOUT FEI’S JABS?! Are Fei’s Jabs not good? Are they better than a lot of characters?
I was just giving one example of Fei’s many good normals. I haven’t even touched c.HP, c.MK, c.MP, and his other great normals that when combined with Rekkas make Fei the strong character he is.
Fei’s normals are all fast and have great range on top of that. That is one major reason characters have trouble out poking him because they either lack speed or range to combat it.
For what it’s worth, I’ve played Sol and he’s a damn solid Akuma. Not that it’s highly relevant.
But in FSE everything cancels in everything anyway; Soooooo…but hell whatever. I would say this is kinda unneccesary but hell. Genei Jin. +7 on everything fuck it. FSE deserves much more for being a Ultra.
I understand your points. I have been reading the Thread since I created it and it just seems that the people who want her to be changed don’t really have that great of reasons for it.
I dislike playing against a good Viper myself. Her mixups are very good and once she has the momentum going it can be a real up hill battle. But overall, (maybe more than any other character) Viper players — TO BE GOOD – are extremely skilled. She will never be a bandwagon character since the entry bar to playing her is so high.
Part of the reason for her skill level is simply the demand for very good execution. Sjc’s and FFF come to mind, combine this with pretty much shitty normals and you have a challenging character. Additionally, even once you master her she is not super-overpowered…just really good. While I would put her on the same level as Yun (i.e. Top Tier) she doesn’t seem to be good simple because of “X” move being too good or building too much meter.
The way in which Viper is Top tier is the way in which all characters should be balanced. Hard to master but it pays off in the end.
way to miss the point of his video genius. some of juri’s normals are obviously glitched up.
Playing recently with super cammy, i’ve come to the conclusion that her old hk spiral arrow should return…
But most recently with ae cammy i feel more that she should have at least 1 good fast and safe poke to stop giefs lp spd shenanigans.
This can be done by making the far st. Hk have faster active frames so it cant be caught or by giving her st mk faster recovery or a slight pushback putting her out of range. 1 or the other of these would be very nice for ae cammy. Both would be op
This isn’t a problem with Fei being good in AE, it’s a problem with how the other returning characters were balanced/butchered.
Everyone is pushing the blame to the good characters, when they should be whining about why their character is so ass.
Yeah Fei might be too effective at too many things in AE but that’s because not much of the cast excels at what they should be excelling in anymore.
It is time to make Saikyo a legitimate alternative to Ryu and his butt buddy Ken.
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Look I am not calling for Fei’s head contrary to what others have tried to paint me as.
I am simply stating that compared to the rest of the cast Fei’s normals are really really good. They have range, speed, and also a lot of active frames. Add on the fact that you have to also be watching out for Rekkas and it becomes hard to keep a good Fei out poked.
PEOPLE PLEASE READ THIS WISE POST!!!.
Its funny because I complained about my character being ass, I had parades explaining my points, but everybody said my character would be fine and I should just stop bitching, or that if my characters had buffs he wouldn’t be unique or some shit like that. I guess uniquely shit???
the thing is though, you either nerf the top to compensate the newer characters, which I called, and it happened. Or
you buff the bottom tier.
Obviously the latter isn’t going to happen, its to much work and strains Capcom’s resources. Its not worth buffing characters to the point where they would be Yun strong.
The characters are going to stay where they are and Yun, Yang, and Fei are getting their nuts chopped off. And really it isn’t fair that these characters are going to get nerfed to compensate the bigger shittier cast of SF4 AE.
For all you guys complaining about Fei pokes being too good…He’s a “get in that ass and do work” character at heart…Complaining
about his pokes is kinda ridiculous. You Akuma’s complaining about it with your million options character is also lol worthy.
In my opinion they should simply reduce damage on his on him in some areas and fix ex chicken wing somehow…maybe make it to where you cant combo after it. Make it so he actually has issues getting in…like the old Fei. Combo into sweep is a bit much for him I think too. His sweep has always been known to not be that great compared to his pokes.
You guys dont think Fei should be awesome at pokes? I think he’s been great at pokes since the sf days…why change that?
Alot of the cast just needs to be buffed. Alot of these issues wouldnt be heard if they just buffed alot of the cast…and maybe some understanding by the community that just becuase your character is good at a certain playstyle doesnt mean they have to be the absolute best.