Add to that list Dudley’s EX Upper (HP Upper too, but it has no invincibility) and Ken’s MP Shoryuken (the one with most invincibility).
Here are some changes that need to happen:
Rufus - damage increase on EX messiah.
Ryu - give him his c.MK back.
Yun - lower health, lower stun, lower damage output, nerf the hitbox on his s.MP, slow down his dive kick, make his hurtbox bigger, more recovery on whiff DP.
Yang - similar nerfs to Yun.
Akuma - fix his flip throw so it has a bigger hitbox, beef up his shaku in terms of stun and damage.
Fei - slight damage nerf.
Viper - slight nerf on U1 damage.
I really wish people would learn the game, before they ruin Yang.
Yang already has lower damage output than Yun…
Yang’s s.MP already has a significantly worse hitbox than Yun’s.
Yang’s Dive Kick is already worse than Yun’s.
Yang’s DP is already HEAVILY punishable. He flies up, right in his opponent’s face, open to whatever the fuck you want to do to him. It’s not an escape, like Yun’s.
Again… “The twins”, as a collective, is a myth.
Nerf palm meter building and active frames, nerf his st.jab frame advantage and he will be fine. Nerf a bit his anti projectile game maybe, too strong right now imo.
He will be top tier regardless, but the kind of top tier that has a good set of options but nothing truly braindead or retarded like yun, just a good design and tools put together.
All they need to do is either;
- Nerf the meter gained by palm down to how much a solid reflect builds (not absorbing, just the reflect itself)
OR - Buff the meter gain of reflect up to how much the palm builds.
Because at this point, it’s really not fair since it’s easier to use palm than Reflect anyway because it has more active frames :/.
I like how Yang is though, just nerf meter on Palm or buff Rose’s reflect up to the case of palm ;D.
Buff Abel, Blanka, Rose, Bison, Balrog, and Honda back to the way they were in Super.
Buff Vega. I don’t care how it’s done, just do it.
Bring back Indestructible, just to troll people.
Give Ryu back his old c.mk. And some pound cake.
Keep Makoto, Sakura, Ken, Viper, Ibuki, Adon, Dhalsim, and Yang the same.
Make the hitbox on Yun’s palm visible.
Give Cammy a fake fireball. And a pair of pants. Christ, that poor girl must get cold.
Increase everyone’s walkspeed. Well, except for Makoto. Hers is supposed to be agonizingly slow, because she’s so badass that she builds suspense just by advancing.
Give Zangief back his knockdown on greenhand and keep everything else the same.
Give Bison his Tuesday quote from Street Fighter: The Movie.
Fix the bugs, like Yang’s invincible wakeup glitch.
Keep Chun Li’s infinite, because that shit is cash.
Make Desk, Geoff, and James Chen as playable characters in the game.
Change the hitbox on Seth’s stomps back to the way they were in Super.
Give Balrog his fight money, boy’s been working for it for over twenty years. >_>
What do people think about Rose’s Ultra 2?
Should it be changed back? Or changed in some other way?
Do people still use it anymore?
Do you think SF2 players were robbed of the chance to figure out Championship Edition when Hyper Fighting came out 8 months later? I was there and I’ll tell you that, nah, we weren’t robbed of anything. In fact, what we got was the pinnacle of the entire series and it came out sooner than the revision to AE.
If you’re truly a thinking individual who likes to figure out new things, then you should be excited about a free revision to your favorite fighting game.
That’s an overly dramatic statement. You’re acting like yearly revisions are a new thing. By the time AE 2012 comes out, AE will be close to a year or maybe even more than a year old. All that’s changed is the delivery method. Thanks to the internet, a game can be patched for free now rather than released as a new retail package 10 months from now. That’s hardly robbery and it’s certainly not patronizing. It’s a step into the 21st century.
I really hope Capcom doesn’t take a look at this thread… Even though I’m afraid the Capcom-Unity suggestions are probably A LOT worse.
For Yang, just mess around with his frame +/-. I feel that he does need a few nerfs, just not a overhaul. Although America is light-years behind in Yang technology, so suggesting any tweaks is pretty weak at this point.
I want to run it back vs. some Rose players with that Ultra (this is just me wanting to conquer that matchup from super… I still think it was BS in general which is why I didn’t suggest bringing it back). But, if she get’s that back vs. me… they better give me my ultra back vs her.
Is Ono gonna read this thread? just in case…
They really needs to fix the Sagat U1 glitch in the corner against some characters like Rose and Sagat… I am waiting for this for 2 years already…
-Juri ex wheel kick needs to move further, it is an anti-projectile move and ineffective with such a short distance…
-Evil Ryu needs some buff to his normals…
-Cammy dive kick needs buff, maybe not instance divekick, but make it lower in the air to execute
-Abel Cod 1st hit un-punishable, too hard to hit confirm as Abel; Also make his cl. hp hit crouch opponents
-Yun 2hk-U2 glitch fix
The meter building on the palms is fine, 20/30 for a wiffed special is the rule across the board, except for fireballs which build 10. There are a lot of characters who can build meter faster than the twins, like Juri, Hakan, Abel, Blanka, Chunli, etc.
The problem might come because none of their options are as safe or as hard to deal with as the twins’ option. Palms are virtually unpunishable and nothing hurts more than getting a counter hit from those. That’s the only nerf I’d accept for them and slightly worse hitboxes for Yun (made equal to Yang’s).
Oni
LK Slam Similar otg 1st frame
DP FADC
Air Dashes not completely useless
Lessen charge time on full screen fireball
Hawk
Can we please make spire a dp motion with kick for once? Please? Hes good with everything else but really this needs to happen.
Viper
Leave her be for real. If you nerf her damage you needa compensate with something else
You mean when the opponent pops out of U1? That has nothing to do with character specifics… that happens to everyone, as long as they’re considered airborne when the ultra hits. That could be fixed, I guess. I find it interesting.
It’s not anti-projectile. She can jump and dive over projectiles. It’s just an all purpose reversal, and doesn’t need to fly across the screen. That’s like Ryu’s DP flying full screen.
I don’t main E. Ryu, but I’ve played him a good amount. His normals seem very good to me. Low Forward, alone, is huge.
It’s not hard to hit confirm as Abel. First hit of CoD is fine where it is at -3.
As for cl. HP hitting crouching… eh… I don’t know… maaaaaaaaybe. I think it’s fine as it is. I think it needs to hit crouchers in maybe a couple more matches than it currently does. Making it hit low, universally, might be too much for Abel.
I vote slight nerf on Viper’s U1, and everything else can stay the same.
I think it was stated before, that she and Fei Long are like the only two characters left with vanilla damage on their ultra potential. With so many ways to combo into it (random EX seismo anyone?) from trades to seismos to corner juggles, it just seems kind of strange she still gets to keep the ultra damage.
I don’t really play Viper so I don’t really know if landing her ultra is really that guaranteed, so I could be biased here.
I did not know that about Dudley’s EX upper. Thanks for telling me.
Ken is a shoto anyways.
Add Ibuki to that list. I remember Sagat’s U1 corner glitch against Ibuki as well.
The only thing I would change about Yang is his massive frame advantage on block for some of his moves. +4 is ridiculous. Other than that I thought he was a solid character that wasn’t too bad.
make everyone have a mashable move:D
you obviously have no clue on what you speak of.
That’s the big issue with E. Ryu, in my opinion. I feel like there’s no way to make both him and Ryu truly good without one just being a flat-out better version of the same character.
i respect the fact that you actually know what you want to see changed and not just nerf yang just because of yun rep.