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Classic Fighting Games Ultimate Marvel VS Capcom 3
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Your first team is much stronger than your second team, if only for the fact that Gunfire is a much better assist than Combination Punch. CP does nothing to help anyone in the neutral game as an anchor, and seeing as Iron Man’s neutral game isn’t exactly stellar he’s gonna need all the help he can get. Unibeam > Gunfire all day though.

I don’t really have many opinions on your team order. Can you effectively get Frank to level 4 on point with Iron Man second off the first hit? I guess that’s the only criteria that would affect my thoughts on character placement.

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I can get Frank to level 3 consistantly after an extended combo with Snapshot into Repulsor Blast, Snapshot again. Repulsor Blast has been a bit funky for me but I just played with the team hours ago so once I play more with the team, I should be able to reach level 4. I also did some testing with the THC method of leveling Frank and I am able to get him to level 4 with either Iron Man or Chris.

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Hey guys. I’m in a bit of a team-building crisis, mostly because this is the game I’ve taken the most seriously out of any games I’ve ever played. I am a long time fighting game enthusiast, but this is the first game I’m gonna try going to tournaments for, and I really want to put in the work to get better. I’ve only really played online, but I wanna get out in the scene more.

My problem has always been that I can’t make up my mind what team I should play - that is, until I started playing Vanilla Marvel. I startedl with Dante/Super Skrull/Amaterasu, and just worked with basic tools. Eventually, i switched my team completely, and started using Zero/Wesker/Sentinel, but I only used Wesker for the OTG and eventually, I switched to Zero/Taskmaster/Sentinel at the end of the life cycle of the game. I enjoyed a lot of success with that team - I was at like a 70% win ratio. I felt very strong with the team, had combos that were consistently damaging, and could put on the pressure. I was as happy as a clam. I had room to improve (my taskmaster was pretty rough), but was enjoying a lot of success, and had fun playing the team.

Then Ultimate Marvel happened.

For some reason, that team stopped working for me. And I wanted to try Doom and Dormammu. so I switched to Zero/Doom (beam) /Dormammu (dark hole), and have basically been playing this team since launch. I am having great success with Dorm as an anchor, but for some reason, I am jsut overall MUCH weaker. My Zero can sometimes do damage, but I keep dropping combos, and I can’t do a TOD yet. My Doom is fine if he gets in, but he has trouble getting in. I can lame out fine. I struggle with buktooth loops but am getting better. Dorm, I fucking love. He’s like the best gift UMVC3 has given me. I often kill whole teams with just Drom anchor. but still, i just feel significantly weaker from Vanilla. is the competition just better online?

I basically am thinking of completely reworking my team. The only person i feel really strong with is Dorm. Here are my options for characters I would considering playing, in order of how strong I feel with them.

Iron Fist
Dormammu
Super Skrull
Zero
Doom
Sentinel
Strider
Wolverine
Nova
Storm

I basically can’t get my mind straight, and want to rework myself to get a great team. Help me figure out how I can unlock my potential.

(p.s. I would totally play an iron fist team, but it seems like I’m shooting myself in the foot. Plus, I feel need to design a team around him)

Here are some potential teams. Help me figure out which ones I should play.

Zero/Doom (beam)/Dormammuu (dark hole)
Iron Fist/Taskmaster/Strider (i just tried this today and liked it a lot)
Doom/Dormammu/Super Skrull
Zero/Iron Fist/Dormammu

I mean, should I just stick with Zero/Doom/Dormammu, despite being significantly less successful with them? I don’t know. It’s killin me guys. Help a brother out.

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Spoiler’d to conserve space, I need to stop writing novels.

[details=Spoiler]What changed with your Vanilla team that made you stop liking it?

One issue is that you’re limiting Zero’s potential by not pairing him with at least one of his optimal assists. You played Zero in Vanilla with one of his best assists in the game (Drones), and then in the transition to Ultimate you didn’t really give him anything to flourish with. Plasma Beam is very good and Dark Hole can get you far enough, but you won’t be able to really unlock Zero’s bullshit until you give him something that causes ragequits.

You’ve already got one of Zero’s best partners in Doom, if you switch out beam and go to hidden missiles you’ll have one of his best assists too. With missiles you get an assist that provides screen coverage, life support if Zero gets tagged pre-missiles, and access to his optimal combo ender. There’s only a handful of assists I recommend to Zero players and HM is one of them, I recommend you give it a try and see how it fits your style.

I know one of the members of the Zero forum plays Zero/Dorm/Doom with missiles and he really likes it, so it’s definitely a tested formula.

Looking at that list of characters you feel strongly about can grab you some pretty bullshit teams as well.
Zero/Doom/Strider would be pretty good. Dormammu/Sentinel/Doom would be pretty good too. You can definitely make some solid teams with those characters.

Speaking of which, regarding the four teams you listed;

IF/Task/Strider is pretty good, but I’m not sure how much Vajra helps IF and Task. Vajra is godlike for controlling super jump height, but can IF and Task capitalize on a hard knockdown easily? If they can then I’d say that’s a solid team, but if they can’t get a full combo from it then I would question the practicality of Vajra.

Thinking about the third team, switch Doom/Dorm/Skrull to Dorm/Doom/Skrull with Plasma Beam and this is probably my favorite team on this list. Give Skrull a really good lockdown assist for Doom and you’d probably do well with this team. Dark Skrull is ridiculous.

Zero/Iron Fist/Dormammu seems like it’ll fall apart as soon as Zero dies. Dorm’s a really good anchor though so you could probably make it work.

If you’re significantly less successful with your current team in comparison to your vanilla team thent something is wrong and needs to be changed. Try switching up the assist and if that doesn’t click then it might be a good idea to shop around and see what feels natural to you. You’ve got a lot of strong options available with the characters you listed so it’s not like you would be hurting yourself to see what else is out there.

I personally went through several dozen teams in vanilla and a handful of teams in Ultimate before I found what clicked with me. I’m ultimately happy I went through the extra trouble of looking at various configuration until I found what really clicked with me.[/details]

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Admiral, take what I say with a grain of salt since I’m not all that great, but try Zero/Taskmaster (or Dorm)/ Strider. I feel that team should have a lot of coverage.

Edit: Oh right, my team dilemma. I’m currently using Ammy b / Hawkeye a / Akuma b with fair success, but if anybody has a suggestion for replacing hawkeye, could I hear them?

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Cap/Task/Doom seems like a pretty sick team. Task arrow assist extends Cap’s combos and gives him mixups in combonation with the cartwheel. Hidden missiles are just that godlike and doom is a nice anchor.

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I considered Dante and Morrigan as well actually. Dante would be on Weasel Shot though; the way this team is configured Jam Session adds nothing (this team is on secret weapon status so I’m not saying why). Weasel Shot doesn’t cover quite as much ground as something like Task/Hawkeye arrows, but it’s still nice. Morrigan I like but I’m not sure how good the Astral Vision lame-out with no XF is. She also takes a lot of work and this team will never be more than a secondary team for me so it might be better to stick to an easier character (Hawkeye/Task) or a character I already know (Dante). Thanks for the input.

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Honestly, I’m not 100% sure why I switched. I think for one, I never felt I was great with Taskmaster. I would just do shitty lame-outs, and shity combos. Sentinel, I felt like I kinda reached my limit with him. And I really wanted to try new characters. I thought about strange and firebrand too, but they jsut haven’t clicked.

I agree I have great options with the characters I listed, and a lot of your advice is great. I’m going to try Hidden Missiles and see where it takes me. I’ve tried it before, but I jsut liked the easy, quick lockdown of plasma beam, plus I find it easier to combo off versus dark hole. But I do want to do well with this team, so I’ll stick with it.

RE: Vajra and Iron Fist… The theory behind IF/Taskmaster/Strider is that it covers both vertical and horizontal for IF while keeping the opponent grounded, which allows Iron Fist combos. In fact, off of one hit, IF and Taskmaster can DHC into a very easy one hit kill (its at least 900 if not a 100) for the net cost of only one meter. As far as Vajra and IF, IF has a serious problem with lame outs, so it helps that. He can combo at least 600 off of a ground bounce, using his OTG into wall bounce and super. I haven’t experimented a lot. I do actually enjoy that team, but I just see IF as a liability in a lot of ways.

Doom/Dorm/Skrull would defiinitely be up there, if I didn’t have such a love affair with Zero. I might mess with it for a bit. Also, are you suggested Tenderizer as an assist for Doom?

Well. Anyhow. I agree with a lot you said, and it jsut helped to hear it from someone else. I’m gonna try Hidden Missiles, see if that significantly changes anything. Thanks for the help!

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I completely understand the need to try out new characters coming into Ultimate. That was a huge reason why it took me so much longer then I originally wanted to settle on a team because there were all these new options I wanted to try. Eventually I ended up with Zero/Doom/Dante, 2/3rd’s of my original Vanilla team. That’s life I guess.

I understand the theory behind the Iron Fist team, I just wasn’t sure if IF/Task can reliably OTG off of Vajra’s knockdown. I’ve always thought that while Vajra is a top 5 assist, it doesn’t reach that top 5 potential unless you have someone who can capitalize off of it like Dante or Doom. I know jack shit about IF, so I was just wondering. It sounds solid on paper though.

As far as Skrull, I honestly don’t know if Orbital Grudge or Tenderizer would work better. I don’t really know the mechanics of those assists well, since I’ve never really played him. Whichever locks them down for Doom better, I guess.

Good luck with the search, Zero’s not an easy character to efficiently build around outside of a select few characters.

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So can we all agree that Vergil/Dante/Wesker is the best order for team trenchcoat? Rapid slash, gun shots, otg for assist?

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Vergil/Wesker/Dante is far superior.
Wesker with XF2 + Weasel Shot is much scarier then XF3 and no assist, and Dante is a very good anchor. If you wanna derp, just bring in Dante at some point during the match after Wesker takes care of some business to switch up your anchor.

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Alright thanks dude. Technically it’s still level 3 x factor with glasses off:)

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I have a dilemma. I had 2 teams that I would use on a regular basis:

  1. Ghost Rider (Chain of Rebuttal), Chris (Gun Fire), Rocket Raccoon (Pendulum)
  2. Taskmaster (Parabolic Arrow), Ghost Rider (Chain of Rebuttal), Rocket Raccoon (Pendulum)

My results have been mixed to say the least. After getting blown up multiple times and not doing so hot during matches, I decided to switch the order for the 2nd team - Ghost Rider/RR/Taskmaster. Results have been hit or miss as well.

The 1st team that I use has been doing pretty crappy as well. So, I need some advice on team building. I can use the following characters alright:

Chris, Rocket Raccoon, Spencer, Viper, Ghost Rider and Taskmaster.

I am having trouble with synergy and trying to make a better team. Does anyone have any suggestions?

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I’ve been trying this Felicia team, but I honestly just don’t think I’m a good enough player for Felicia. The team is Felicia/Doom/Spencer anyone have any ideas?

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I think the two best teams you’re going to get out of those characters are

Chris/Viper/Taskmaster
Spencer/Viper/Taskmaster

basically I would look to have Viper second and either Task or Spencer on anchor of those names then a battery up front to get Viper meter. Ghost Rider would be pretty good in the Viper/Task shell as well since he can do an unblockable with her using burnkick and Task can cover the horizontal plane while you j.S. What I think is beneficial about the second team though is they’re all really good as anchors as well. I honestly don’t know a ton about Rocket Raccoon so I’m not sure what an optimal spot is for him on a team.

Depends on what you like about Felicia, if it’s her rushdown Wolverine is a pretty simple rushdown character to pick up and play as is Wesker. I hate to say this, but if you like Felicia because it’s Felicia then just work at it because A. you’ll have more fun and B. she’s actually worth the effort.

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I don’t know I just have a rough time with the charge on pad, I have a stick, but I’m really uncomfortable using it. I guess I’ll keep at it, I’m kinda new to fighting games as well so it’s rough. Do you think I should switch the assists? I’ve been wondering about about dropping doom, just something about him I don’t really like.

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Funny enough I suffer from the same things, I love Doom as a character, want his assists, but don’t really like playing him. His missiles and beam are pretty damn great (Rocks has its’ uses too) and specifically the missiles can cause a lot of havoc while you rushdown either to pressure or flat out pinning down the opponent. If you really wanted you could opt for an OTG assist instead of having to use Sand Splash, I know a lot of people who struggle to do charge moves on a pad so I can see where you’re coming from. Dante’s Jam Session has the ability to apply pressure as well and lockdown so maybe consider that. Strider’s Vajra is probably the best assist in the game, but be wary of it taking out your ground bounce should he hit the person out of the air, a free combo is still a free combo though.

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Do you know what options I would have for an OTG assist? Dante’s jam session also sounds kind of appealing.

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Wesker Samura Edge, Deadpool Katanarama, Dante Weasel Shot are the best OTG assists as far I know. There are others, but those are the best/fastest.

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Well then I’m thinking about Felicia/Deadpool/Dante but I’m worried about Dante’s position on the team, I’m not too sure I like him as an anchor.