OBJECTION! - The Phoenix Wright Thread

Has anyone gotten top eight in Big Two with PW?

If not, that is my goal!

I think ChrisG has in pre-patch days, or that might have been The Break. Aside from that I don’t think I’ve ever seen a PW player in Big Two, except maybe Basic Sausage.

Does anyone know if Wright has any positive match-ups? Silly match-up thread hasn’t been touched, ditto with the guide…

Positive match-ups? His match-ups change depending on what mode he’s in and what kind of evidence he has. What are you looking for when it comes to match-ups?

lol yeah. sorry about that P:

Well, I guess you’d have to take three things into account if you wanted a general match-up listing:

Investigation Mode: How easily can Wright collect evidence against this character?
Trial Mode: How easily can Wright land the “Objection!” and/or kill the opposing character?
Turnabout Mode: How easily can Wright kill this character? How hard is it to stop/delay/kill Wright with this character?

If you averaged the match-up scores for all three, i guess you’d have Wright’s match-up against character X.

Guess it’s time to pick up the guide and update it. Maybe I’ll fill in some match ups and some assists

Well, without going into detail, I think overall PW has a good match-up against these characters:

Akuma
Arthur
Chun-Li
Frank (in all levels. Seriously.)
Haggar (he destroys us in Investigation Mode, though)
Hsien-Ko
Hulk
Iron Fist
Iron Man
Nemesis
Phoenix (dead serious, especially if you already have Turnabout Mode going)
Ryu
Sentinel
She-Hulk (terrible match-up in Investigation Mode)
Shuma
Spider-man
Tron

I think that for the most part, regardless of the evidence you gather, you should do well against these characters. There are some match-ups that turn into our favor if you get a certain piece of evidence, though:

this list ignores Cell Phone since that’s helpful in every match-up

Doom (Photograph)
Ghost Rider (Vase/Watch/Photograph)
Spencer (Knife)
Wolverine (Knife)
X-23 (Knife)

There’s also the odd case of Captain America, in which Investigation Mode is actually the best mode to use when fighting him.

Is there anyone who gives Wright a hard time, no matter what mode?

Zero… In trial and investigation mode.

In turnabout mode, I honestly do not know

I think Zero still gives a hard time in turnabout mode without the cellphone or photograph and also the fact that it’s difficult to punish a good Zero player since most of his stuff are safe. Without the cellphone he can move around the air just to stall time till turnabout mode is away, and without the photograph a Zero player can unleash a barrage of charged up busters and handgekis with the clone.

I think Magneto gives a hard time especially backed up with good assists, when the match is counting down Magneto can either air grab you or do a standing :h: which will push you away but starts the mixups games for him and depending on the combo and assists used it can build up two meters for the Magneto player which leads to Wright’s death.

Magneto’s rushdown is also scary especially with a lockdown assist like Amaterasu because of that it may not be possible to put up Maya shield at times. He can also play the zoning game against you if you don’t have the photograph evidence and without the cellphone in turnabout mode he can constantly do flight and move around to stall time till turnabout mode runs out.

Keepaway Dormammus + Hidden Missiles, Doctor Dooms that spam plasma beam:h: + Drones, Sentinel beam spam + Missiles while in Investigation Mode and sometimes Trial Mode. Patience is required here, but depending on how quickly you get good evidence, these are a pain to deal with, at least for me…

In turnabout mode any character with a Flight/air stalling move (think of Hagger’s air command grab) can give Wright a hard time unless he has cellphone, or some sort of anti-air assist like missiles. Also Dante in turnabout mode manage to hit me alot be one wrong j. :h: can easily get you hit by Dante’s j. :s: into a full combo, which will either kill or get rid of turnabout since it’s so long.

They gave Dante Turnabout Mode!?

Zero is not too much of a problem in Investigation Mode. He has a hard time getting through the shield (although his stupid Shippuga option-selects a throw). In Trial Mode, it’s dependent on positioning, really.

Super-Skrull is probably the only character I can think of that beats PW in all 3 modes. His grabs out-range the finger and he can Meteor Smash whenever PW attempts to lame him out with projectiles even in Turnabout Mode, forcing PW to spend meter to be safe. It’s also pretty much a 10-0 match-up in his favor if PW is in Investigation Mode.

By the way, Sentinel is not a bad match-up at all, especially if you have the Photograph. Just duck under his beams using c.:l: and throw a beam right back at him. Sentinel is forced to approach. Also, against most characters, you can super-jump forward on reaction to a Hidden Missiles assist call and land a free Objection.

I’d disagree. A ton of Zero’s attacks are multi-hit, and since Maya takes unscaled damage she can get bopped pretty fast, not to mention the buster. However if the Zero is playing a footsie game, then PW has a good advantage, really just depends how nuts the Zero is going.

Yes you must do 5 raw teleport j. :s:'s in a row.

It occurred to me how much damage The Ace Attorney actually does.
[LIST]
[]98% of the cast is KO’d at half health or less
[
]50% is KO’d at 2/3 health or less
[]10% is KO’d at 3/4 health or less
[
]100% is KO’d at 48% health or less
[/LIST]

I’m interested in where your information comes from, Poltergust. Do you have any match videos of how you play PW?

X-Factor Numbers if anyone cares:
In Lvl1 XF:
[LIST]
[]100% of the cast is KO’d at half health.
[
]100% is KO’d at 2/3 health.
[]100% is KO’d at 62% health.
[
]78% is KO’d at 75% health.
[]32% is KO’d at 90% health.
[/LIST]
In Lvl2 XF:
[LIST]
[
]100% of the cast is KO’d at half health.
[]100% is KO’d at 2/3 health.
[
]100% is KO’d at 72% health.
[]98% is KO’d at 75% health.
[
]50% is KO’t at 100% health.
[/LIST]
In Lvl3 XF:
[LIST]
[]100% of the cast is KO’d at half health.
[
]100% is KO’d at 2/3 health.
[]100% is KO’d at 75% health.
[
]100% is KO’d at 82% health.
[*]78% is KO’d at 100% health.
[/LIST]

Uh, the damage for Ace Attorney should be the same for all levels of X-Factor. Level 1 X-Factor runs out before Ace Attorney finishes, so it does 1.08 million instead of 1.2 million. So, the numbers for Level 2 X-Factor and Level 3 X-Factor should be identical.

Not really. Even though a lot of his attacks are multi-hit, his base damage for each hit is really low. If I remember correctly, a full ground series :l::m::h::f::h: won’t break through Maya’s shield, although a :s: after that might. You’re still given plenty of time to react to something like that, though.

It’s a different story, obviously, if he’s using an assist.

Well, some of my information is theory-crafting, but I have played against a lot of different characters back in Texas (I’m in Florida for the summer). Look up the archives for the Arcade UFO Ranbats for seasons 5 and 6 (only look up 6.2 for season 6; I wasn’t there for the first one). You’ll see a lot of good and bad matches from me.