Which Sam was the you said looks like Screech?
The White one, Old Joke. He needs to shave his head again
No I mean B or Y?
Y is the one!
SamB= Portland’s best
SamY= ST Player White guy (curly hair)
I think you are referring to me. I didn’t even know what the hell was going on during that supposed match, my opponent was leaving or something. In past tourneys there were some random ass byes so I figured to hell with it and not place very last.
Besides, no one wants a piece of my mexican Ryu and his dirty tricks!
You weren’t the only one that did that. What really made me mad is that you wasted time and played him anyway, makes it worse that you lost to him but i can see your point, but you cant finish last if you win a game and i know you won atleast 1! Just FYI! yes your Ryu is mexican, but hey atleast you did High Jump Kick / Low Sweep when i called for it. That was tight! The other guy that did what you did i took care of myself. Felt good!
If these concerns are genuine, I feel that I should address them in order. In order to provide visibility to the public, I’ve made the complete rankings history available to the public. It’s in an Excel file to be found here. If you want to get an idea of how you’re doing, how many events you’ve attended (marked with 0.01 if you attended but didn’t earn any points), or to see how the competition is doing, look there. The marking of attendance was because I was originally planning to hold a drawing at the end of the season weighted on point standings with attendance giving a minor (but possible) shot at winning the prize.
1-I really really really really don’t understand why I played Evan first round.[sic]Was I even seeded? Was he seeded? Who was seeded?
It was indeed due to the fact that you showed up right as the tournament was about to get underway. We were, as always, already running behind due to late arrivals, and I didn’t want to redraw a new bracket every time someone stepped through the door. Evan was seeded, you were not. In the future, it doesn’t hurt to do as Ratt and Row did yesterday, which was to call ahead and tell Zach or myself that you will be in the tournament. They were both seeded for the tournament. But if you call, please do actually show up before we get past the first round. Otherwise, I’ll have to insist on collecting your entry fee and start you in the loser’s bracket even if you don’t enjoy the prospect of going one-and-out.
Generally speaking, the later you show up in round 1, the worse your pairing will be. Since low seeds get paired with random players first, higher seeded players are usually the only ones who haven’t had a match in round 1. For example, Nolan showed up with the first round of Marvel basically at an end, and Zach was the lowest seeded player who had a bye in round 1 that had yet to play his round 2 match. It worked out for Nolan though, since he survived and went on to face Lawrence.
So to all who show up late, you just might end up having to play Cody, Row, Mandel, Evan, or Jmar. The lesson is, get there on time. With all the consistent bitching, I wonder how people would take it if I were to act professionally and actually start things at 9PM SHARP. Kinda like I did for the first 2 tournaments.
For those who have never indulged in a seasonal league event (be it sports related, CCG, chess, drunken bum fights, or other), the point based seeding system is supposed to reward players who consistently attend.
2-I heard about some ST bracket craziness involving Fatbear and SamB being extra close to each other in the brackets, along with Jetay having a bye first round and then having to play whoever showed up late instead of whoever it was having to start off in the losers bracket. I don’t quite understand the situation, but I know they weren’t very happy about it. That sort of thing deters people from wanting to show up.
I have no clue what you’re talking about here. We had 16 ST players, with 2 people who showed up after the tournament began, but BEFORE we were even halfway done with the first round. Both were randomly assigned to fight against players who had yet to play their round 1 matches. Paul ended up facing Kuenai in round 0.5, and Gray Fox was randomly assigned to fight SamY. Jetay did not have a bye in round one, though I guess he did have a bye in round 0.5 (along with 14 other players)–the extra round added for late arrivals prior to round 1 ending, but after it had begun.
Whenever I draw up the brackets, the top half (8 players if using a 16-bracket, 16 players if using a 32-bracket, etc.) is seeded according to current standings. The rest of the players are randomly assigned with a double blind method. I pick out a slot, and a second person (who can’t see what part of the bracket I’m going to enter the name in) feeds me a name that hasn’t already been added to the bracket.
For ST this time, the second person was actually Lawrence. After I had completed the ST bracket, he wanted to look it over. He then pointed out that the 2 best Portland players (Jetay and SamY) were in the same half of the bracket, and that they would most likely be very upset at having to play each other early. Since Yatchmenoff was seeded (he was here on 3/16), I went ahead and swapped Jetay with another unseeded player on the opposite side of the bracket. If anything, I actually went around procedure and accommodated the Portland players in this respect.
As for SamB being near SamY in the ST bracket, yes, they were in the same **half **of a 16 player bracket. However, B would have had to win 2 straight matches, and Y needed to win 3 straight (remember that he fought a late comer in round 0.5) before they would have faced each other in the winner’s bracket. They didn’t make it that far, and SamB actually dropped from the event after just one match. I can’t really comment on the loser’s bracket, since performance plays a huge role in determining how you get paired up on that side of the bracket.
So, basically, I don’t think any of the complaints here about ST were valid. Whomever misled them to believe these things were most likely just trying to rile them up. That, or people were venting for the sake of venting.
To say that I pulled shenanigans in favor of the Seattle ST players is preposterous, since the Seattle ST players detest me for playing Marvel. To say that I am racist against black people (as some were insinuating during the Marvel event) is retarded, as everyone knows that I only hate white people.
3-Kenny had to play SamB first round before playing me in his first/last match in losers. I wouldn’t say that’s very fair to someone coming here from Puyallup.
Again, the top of the winner’s bracket is always seeded, and the stragglers are assigned randomly. Tempest faced SamB round 1 (since SamB was seeded and Kenny was randomly assigned), then had a bye in the first round of loser’s, then faced you. I can’t really control what happens in the loser’s bracket, since placement gets inverted at every tier. For those like Bunkei who cry Cochran, see the end of my previous comment.
4-The blind pick thing was pretty bad, but it was actually done wrong to begin with. I didn’t realize it until it was too late, so I’m not really trippin too much. But what was supposed to happen was Yosuke was supposed to write his character down not me.
Again, I apologize for the gaff. It was just stupid. I wasn’t trying to piss you off, or give Yosuke any advantage. It was just plain stupid. Regarding proper procedures of a blind pick, you are correct. Whomever is 1P is supposed to tell a neutral party their pick, and 2P is supposed to actually pick first in the game. I was not familiar with the format, and I apologize for that as well.
5-Keith said no one won three times in losers, but I did, I beat Kenny, Dan, and Rat.
Just checked, I stand corrected.
*6-ST was actually like 50x funner than Marvel was last night. Honest truth. *
20 people in a basement room with chunks of the wall removed will do that. Plus, I think the unpredictability of the game added to the levity. Yes, we know that Jmar and Row were going to rape the rest of us in Marvel. But every ST player actually has championship aspirations.
*7-I really really need a new stick, I don’t like using anyone else’s. No excuses on my end, but I hate not feeling comfortable during a tournament. *
You and me both.
8-So with 18 people in the ST tourney, how much did first and second get?
I think you took home $2, Nate got $3, and Julien got $13. The split, as with all tournaments, should have been 7/2/1, in multiples of $1.80. Nate might have gotten $4 and Julien $12, I don’t recall. I can’t always divide the money evenly unless someone pays with a ton of change (like Josh Ray did last time or what Femto plans to do in the future), so the amounts do end up getting rounded.
SamY and Kuenai were the ones who had to play an extra round 0.5 in ST, SamB did not. In Marvel, Jmar (4th seed) had a bye in round 1, then faced SamB in round 2. How could I be skewed in my approach, I don’t even know who good and who’s not. Still, obviously you think that I’m biased and question my approach to holding tournaments. This is why I’ll not continue the endeavor. Don’t worry, you won’t have to put up with my evil bracket making after this season concludes.
Who won the poker tournament? lol
Ian did i think. Dawolfs homeboy took second.
Doughboy: I’m not going to even dwell on this fact…do what you do…and ill still attend.
Keith, don’t get discouraged, we all really appreciate what you’ve been doing
it’s a lot of work running tournaments 
To be honest with you, to be really honest with you, I called Zach and didn’t get an answer. So I should’ve called again, but to have a seed be totally nulled for showing up 15 minutes late? That doesn’t make any sense, it’s not like the tourney had even started at that point. That’s not to say that being seeded should mean you’re allowed to show up late but about 98.9% of the people in there knew I was showing up for Marvel. That’s the kinda stuff that messes up the losers bracket. I showed up earlier than PDX did, I’m pretty sure they weren’t punished like that (after all Sam was seeded despite playing Jason 2nd round). From what you put, SamB, Zach, and Evan were seeded. So who was the other seed? I almost think if I showed up on time, I wouldn’t have been seeded anyway. I actually think this is like worst than if I was a seed and had to play Jason or Row first round, but AT LEAST in that scenario I would’ve been seeded. Which would’ve shown that what I did in the past meant something and wouldn’t be overruled by 15 minutes. But oh well, I’m just posting my outlook on this, I definitely don’t agree with it but you’re the one running these events and you set the rules. Like they say, in Rome you do as the Romans do.
Well, if you really wanna know, it’s gonna get ugly. The other top seeds were Row, Evan, Kyle, Jmar, Zach, Brian, myself, the Ratt (in that order). These people originally had byes in the first round. After that, it was slim pickings, and I was actually seeding people based on having attended rather than having any points. Among those that got seeds were Pablo, David, and Dan.
You arrived after I had completed the very top of the seeding, but before I had finished rounding out the rest of the bracket. Since you were a highly ranked player, I actually intentionally stuck you in one of the only 2 slots left that hadn’t been filled in (#15), while Chris got the last seed (#16) due to his attendance record. As luck would have it, you got a bye in the first round, but then faced Evan (who also had a bye in round 1). Had you been placed in the 16th seed, you would have faced Row after a bye. Heh heh.
From there, the lowest ranked people got random seedings with unranked players. But once the tournament began, people who showed up late had to be randomly plugged into whatever open slots there were left round 1. Chris ended up not facing Row, since JAlbert entered late and ended up pairing with him. Pablo was denied a chance to advance to the second round because Mark showed up.
You also could have called Evan or someone else at the house to let us know of your arrival. In any case, I just PMed you my cell number. If you’re running late for a future event and can’t get a hold of Zach (and I implore you to try him first since it always seems to annoy him to get a call while he’s playing), call me.
At any time, people are welcomed to look over the brackets as the tournament is progressing. This is provided that I’m not actually using it at the time. Also, the process of seeding is very transparent. Not only are all results open to the public, I’ve also made available the tabulation chart that I use to keep track of rankings. If you’re still suspicious of my methods, or if you’re just interested, people are always welcomed to watch me as I prepare the brackets. It’s a pretty straight forward but slightly time consuming process. I usually draw up the brackets right before or right after I collect the entry fees from everyone. All of the information is viewable by the public, as is my double blind process for randomly seeding the lower half of the bracket. If anything, this is far more impartial than me hard seeding Row and Jmar in 1st and 2nd irrespective of anything. The way I’m doing it now ensures that even if I did have a vested interest in seeing certain individuals do well, it would be readily apparent when I failed to follow procedures correctly.
I must stress again that the methods used for standings and seeding were discussed and agreed upon in this thread and its predecessor started by Deezo. This is as open as a discussion forum as we could make it. Though I’m not vehemently opposed to revision should people collectively demand it, know that these regulations were suggested and determined by you, not me.
Since I mentioned Pablo earlier in this post, I should say that he is now considered to be on the same level as Kuenai. He lost to me in the loser’s bracket. How serious is shit now?
Had you [Mandel] notified me of your arrival prior to the drawing of the brackets, you would have been ranked #1, ahead of Row. This is not to rub salt on a wound or anything. Just in case you were curious.
To all who might be reading, show up early. The sign up sheet is always on the poker table in the kitchen when you come in. As the evening drags on, the ST sheet might be moved around by people playing card/board games that use the surface. But you should always look to arrive at least 1/2 hour prior to the event’s scheduled start time. And you should always make a note to sign up the second you walk through the door.
Would people be interested if I posted the brackets after each event as well? I haven’t hooked up my scanner in years, but it could be done. Or, I could write it up as a word doc and make a pdf file (which might be smaller and faster to DL). If there is significant interest, I could start doing this with the next tournament.
All this damned controversy. Bringing me back to my epic post ways.
People should free to use the info in this file to discuss how well, or poorly they’ve been doing. Or to talk about more noteworthy moments from past events if it happens to evoke good memories. But please keep it tasteful.
I for one would like to point out that I was crushed at not having gotten points on 3/2 and 5/11. I thought that I could squeak in and steal a point with only 9 players competing. But I was especially devastated when I got peaced out by Geif, on point, during the 6/1 event. I also think that it’s interesting how only 5 people have shown up to all of the Marvel events. I thought Seattle loved Marvel?
Which fact? That I hate white people? Zach’s parents even told him not to trust white people. Ask him.
seriously, bops all over it.
hehe!
Julian, keep making me proud.
The fact of the tournament thing and all that jazz im not trippin about it. lol! do what you do! either way you put it, we’re still going to show up.
Seeding in every tournament I’ve been in up here has been top 4 placers from the previous tournament. Seeding in that fashion rewards skill and attendance. Food for thought.
Good games, everyone. I suck more than you all. Thanks a lot Zach for having us over so late again and the awesome games.
Huh?
Julian=Me
Julien=Beasely, beast at ST who wins the tourneys
Doughboy=Keith, asian guy runs tournaments
Keith, I am focusing on poker this season, but if you don’t continue to run tournaments after this one, then I will take over next season for you. Either way Seattle ST must live on…
Get the hell off your high horse Keith because A) you don’t suck that much and B) damn the switch trick which is the only reason you got a combo off me and C) you beat a guy who uses Colossus on point which you magically happened to damage a lot for reasons previously mentioned. You also lost to Brian who uses GIEF on point last tourney, a guy who’s ass I have been beating for years. Fuck rankings, that shit doesn’t measure heart son!
Granted, my poor performance in rankings is due to my refusal to use extremely buff teams so I can’t blame anyone for that, just my own stubborness and ego. My unorthodox mexi-style of play always comes back to bite me in the ass.
Also, since everyone else is bitching about the tourney. When I first started showing up I have been matched up against the best mofo’s that play the game. My very first tourney I fought Nolan first round who later went on to win the tourney.
But on the realz it’s all good, Keith’s been doing a good job. I’ll buy you some cookies or something for your hard work.