NW Character IMPROVEMENT Tier List ( 11/24 UPDATED)

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Personally, I don’t see the point of having tiers if anyone can challenge anyone. I think it defeats the purpose of the tier system since it’s so easy for someone on a lower position to make leaps in the ranking 1) without much resistance, in terms of playing against other players, which I thought was a neat aspect: having to have fight people you haven’t fought before to gain rank. y’know, kinda like grinding to gain a level you want. and 2) like you said, cole, without penalty for losing.

An idea I can bring to the table would maybe be allowing players in tier 3, who aren’t the bottom 5, to have one chance to challenge someone in tier 2.

If the tier 3 player wins, then they take the tier 2 player’s rank, and that tier 2 player gets sent to the bottom of their tier. So this creates a sort of “2 and out” system where if the tier 2 player has lost to a tier 3 player, get sent to the bottom of tier 2. And an update to the bottom 3 rules: if you’re challenged by someone who’s not in the top 3 of tier 3, you switch places with that person. but if it’s someone from the top 3, then it’s the normal gettin’ bumped down one rank.

But if the tier 3 player loses, they get sent to the bottom of tier 3, and they have to make it to tier 2 the “normal” way: reaching top 3 of tier 3 and challenging the bottom 3 of tier 2.

The bottom 5 (or so) of tier 3 will serve to stop a ton of people from challenging tier 2 and making a huge shift in the rankings all at once.

Oh and also, Cole, I think maybe having the tier 1 have at least 5 - 7 people in it might give some opportunities to reach tier 1. Currently there’s only one person who’s able to challenge you, and that’s the 2nd place person. Shouldn’t you apply the top 3/bottom 3 rule to those tiers also to avoid bottlenecking? With having 6 people in tier 1 and the bottom 3 the ones that can be challenged by lower tiers, it leaves 1st, 2nd & 3rd to enjoy their rank for a small bit, as a small reward for making it up there/keeping their spot. (the reward: only being challenged the smaller population of people in your tier.)

These are just my thoughts; just throwing them out there. … and I hope they make sense.=)

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Gogogo Francis, good thoughts all throughout. I have nothing more to add since Francis covered what I was posting.

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I agree with AwesomeJones with pretty much everything. I don’t think there was much wrong with this system though. The way I understood it was, you don’t have to accept a challenge if it’s outside the parameters of the top 3/bottom 3 rule but you can if you want to.

But ya, I like AwesomeJones’s ideas. I respect the grind that comes with attaining the rank you want.

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I challenge Tanaka and Cole. Hopefully see you guys at the to-fu dojo :china:

P.S CONSTANTINE :wonder:

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Sounds good Awesome Jones, I definitely like the fact that the challenged must recieve the equivlant of the challenge. So, if you are brave enough to allow someone to challenge you from outside your tier, then you must suffer the consiquence if you lose.

Going to the bottom of the tier is not equal to the challenger getting to skip an entire tier.

So a few changes going in atm:

  • Allowing challenges from lower tiers will result in an equal swap. ( so the challenged should be wise on allowing someone of lower tier to challenge them…the lose is as great as the gain)

  • Tier 1: 2nd, 3rd and 4th place now all have a chance to challenge 1st place in tier1

  • Tier 2 : Everyone can now shoot to obtaining 2nd, 4rdor 4th in order to have a shot at 1st place.

I like your ideas Awesomejones, I feel this is a little towards what you are talking about. I still would like to keep a sort of, Afro Samurai mentality about obtaining the 1st headband. I do understand people need more windows to challenge people and get to the top.

Lets see how this works out for right now.

happy hunting folks!!!

Cole

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I don’t really like the idea of swapping with people from lower tiers if you lose. Honestly, if I get challenged by anyone, even the lowest ranked person, I’m going to accept because I enjoy playing different people. Also Cole, I’m not sure you read Jones’ post correctly. I don’t think he is advocating a swap mechanic if you accept a challenge from the lower tiers. His suggestions are a lot more complicated (too complicated for my taste, sorry).

Instead of punishing players for accepting challenges from lower tiers, just ban those challenges. This WOULD create a bit of a problem since a lot of players never look at this thread and see when they are challenged and rarely attend gatherings, so it is difficult to advance past them. The solution to this is to require everyone on the tier list to post contact info (phone, or at least email) so you don’t have to hunt them down.

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So Bitq, you do not feel that if you challenge “outside” your tier that the punishment should be as equal to the reward? (This is what im suggestion currently). The same rules apply if you are challenging within your tier (you take champions spot, and champion moves down 1).

I believe AwesomeJones suggested that if you challenge “outside” your tier the punishment for the champion gets sent to the bottom of his current tier. Am i right Francis?

  • Cole
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Ok, I knew it was a bit to take in and a little confusing. I hope I can clarify my ideas in this post; I’ll use myself as an example.

I’m currently Tier 2, Rank 14th and I am not in the bottom 3 of Tier 2.

If I accept a challenge by anyone in Tier 3, let’s say Rank 17 Hyre, and I lose, Hyre will now be 13th and I will be sent to the bottom of Tier 2, Rank 16.

I am now at the bottom of Tier 2, Rank 16. The rules already have it so the top 3 of Tier 3 can challenge the bottom 3 of Tier 2.

So if I now accept a challenge from Tier 2, Rank 18, Mikhail, and I lose, Mikhail would take 16th and, I will be bumped down to 17th. BUT if I accept a challenge from Rank 20th and below (aka people who are not the top 3 of Tier 3) let’s use Rank 21st, Bokkin, and I lose, the Direct Swap rule is enforced. This would result in Bokkin taking 16th and me taking 21st.

Does that make sense?

I didn’t particularly enjoy the idea of anyone just jumping in and already being able to hop up really high into Tier 2 without having to grind a bit like others had to. But I can understand that if you are “Tier 2 status”, then you shouldn’t have to grind TOO hard to get to the players you feel on par with.

That’s the reason why I had the idea of giving the players in Tier 3 the one chance to challenge someone in Tier 2 without having to be in the Top 3 of Tier 3 is that it will be a sort of “test” to see if that player should already be in Tier 2. If that Tier 3 player loses that “test”, they have to grind the “slow” way by working their way up to the Top 3 of Tier 3.

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I challenge Constantine. Bison wins. Ok I’m 3rd and Constantine is not here :wonder:

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This is sort of why I was asking people in Tier 2 if they would accept my challenge. I felt the only real grind for me getting to where I felt I should be in the rankings, would be tracking down the players I challenged and not the actual matches themselves.

I wanted to be in a place where challenging future players would require practice and defending my place would require hard work.

AwesomeJones’s ideas FTW.

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I think the main place where I disagree is in punishing people for accepting challenges. You should be punishing the player who issued the challenge from the lower tier, not the one accepting it.

I really like your idea of giving people one chance to challenge up though. That makes a lot of sense.

A lot of these problems would be resolved if people would just read this thread and be available to accept challenges. Or post contact info like I said above.

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If you challenge outside your Tier and lose… you can’t challenge anyone for 1 or 2 weeks.

yes/no?

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I see where you’re coming from BitQ, my only defense is that if you’re being challenged from a lower Tier, your rank should be on the line. And since you’re being challenged from someone who’s a) not already in your tier and, b) not the top 3 of their tier [depending where you are in the tier] you should have a higher stake in the match as well.

The challenger has one shot to try to bump themselves up and perhaps one week (referring to Shred’s post) of not being able to challenge, but is able to be challenged. (essentially halting their position on the ranking, unable to move up until they can challenge again.) And the challenged has to defend their spot in their tier and, if they lose, defend their right to stay in the tier lest they get knocked out of the tier.

I think it keeps everyone, who’s not in 1st, on their toes, knowing that their spot is always changing.

Is that a fair deal between challenger and challengee?

The only issue I have with the ‘no challenge for a week’ deal is that it might basically come down to the honor system since i don’t think too many people are going to be keeping tabs on everyone who’s already challenged and lost and such. BUT if everyone keeps posting their challenges and results, I think it might be alright.

For the contact issue, we have this as well as IRC and Facebook and what have you. Although it would be nice if everyone who was on the list paid attention/kept up to date with who’s challenging them, the fact is that this… well, it’s the internet and we’re all a bit ADD. haha :tup:

Edit note: forgot that that list doesn’t have our email addresses or anything. But still! It has everyone’s GT and PSN handles. So it’s up for peoples to send a message.

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I challenged Hyre. Hyre won 3-0. GGs!

Wait wat Hyre is below me? Huh… well I guess I shouldn’t have made that challenge haha. Hyre moves up!

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I challenge CeramicSugar… if you’re down.

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i’ll be back in washington december 10th or so - i’ll throw down some challenges when i make it to the dojo or whever else!

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Sup Folks, A lot of changes to the Challenge list. Also , I want to respond to your post AwesomeJones. I think you have convinced me on the fact of just dropping to the bottom of your tier and that is it. So if 10th challenges 4th and 4th loses, 4th is now at the bottom of tie2 and 10th is now the new 4th?

With that, I would also like to suggest that a player can only challenge 3 people above him. The reason I suggest this now (since we have had this before) is that
[LIST=1]1: The list is a lot more active and accepted,
[/LIST] [LIST=2]People have said they want to create more of a challenge of earning, if you get knocked down a tier, you will fight that much harder to keep your spot and continue ascending.

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Yey or Ney Can only challenge 3 people above you, with AwesomeJones addition!!!?

Cole

PS - Myself and BowFlexMIKE are heading to NEC (NorthEastChampionships) this coming weekend! If folks are available, please come help us practice for the event. The Dojo will be OPEN 24/7 till we leave Friday Morning!!

GO GO GO!

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^ Agreed. I’ve wanted to suggest that you can only challenge “X” ranks above yours. I like it.

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I believe that we should keep the ability to challenge anyone in your tier. I feel that if you put that rule, the “only challenge the 3 above you” rule, creates another issue of bottlenecking but now it’s within the tiers instead of the previous issue of between tiers. Personally, I don’t think the list more active as a whole, mainly a select few it seems to me, so that’s why I’m against the “only challenge 3 above you” rule.

Cole, I still like the idea of giving people more of a challenge to earn their spot, but (if I’m reading your post right) if you fail to defend your spot from someone, I think dropping to the bottom of the tier is a bit harsh. I think that the dropping to the bottom of the tier would work if the tiers were a bit smaller (and subsequently more of them). I was toying with the idea of maybe having 6 per tier so that way if you drop (to the bottom of your tier), it’s not too far, and you can challenge anyone within your tier still, and only the top 2 can challenge the bottom 2 of the tier above them.

If that doesn’t sound appealing, I still would like to promote my initial idea of: If challenged by someone in your tier and you lose, you get bumped down one spot (which is what’s currently in place). If challenged by someone NOT in your tier and you lose, you are at the bottom of your tier.

Bottom tier peeps only get one shot to jump tiers by challenging someone in the next tier up. If they challenge a tier up and lose, they lose that chance and have to grind their way up the normal way.

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I defeated Eric (hyre) and Jeff (tanaka force) in FT5s to solidify my place at 2nd.

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