Hooked up 3SOE to an “evo monitor.” Plays just as well as a CRT does. Wouldn’t play it on anything else though. Use to play on a bigger screen TV. Timing and feel is entirely different… I feel like the only characters that are crucially affected by this lag are Dudley and Makoto though… Maybe Urien too.
Dreamcast.
trolling
OE if you have offline competition.
GGPO/FBA if you don’t.
Either way, NOT the DC or PS2 versions.
I played on an Evo monitor last time I went to locals. It wasn’t horrible and I was able to adjust. But it did feel different.
Evo monitor is laggy as fuck btw.
Remember, just because your setup feels ok to you doesn’t mean it’s not laggy. It could be that you don’t know any better.
Well, not the exact evo monitor but I do play on an Asus that I think is either ~2 or ~5 response time. My measure for lag is the timing of post-karakusa hp. That timing drastically changes from setup to setup… I don’t know what I’m talking about.
Timing combos shouldn’t make a difference on laggy monitors
But what you can whiff punish, what you can confirm, how long it takes before your input shows up after you input it. That’s all different.
Punishing shoto low forward feels different on Evo monitor. Same with fba and with ggpo delay. Everything feels sluggish compared to oe on CRT.
It doesn’t, but if you use your eyes and ears to help you combo, instead of relying purely on muscle memory, you should be able to notice a difference with laggy setups.
Recently, I tried playing on a laggy tv, but with the same headphones I normally use, this in itself made a huge difference with the feeling of that lag. Before, it was unbearable, but adjusting combo timings based on sound cues is apparently easier for me than using visual cues that happen a few frames earlier than I’m used to.
Karakusa to Fierce is a 5 frame window IIRC, try something that has a tighter window, such as a reversal. That was one easy way I was able to really tell how ridiculously laggy my FBA setup was… I had to input P before Ryu’s feet touched the ground when he woke up… that was laggy.
if you’re playing on an ips and emulation and don’t think anything is wrong then you don’t know otherwise.
ips displays have greater delay than tn lcd even.
also this isn’t to be confused with response time which is what they print on the monitor usually. response is grey to grey transition. delay is something they don’t tell you in the ‘stats’ for the monitor (Except probably in extreme cases with 120hz monitors and stuff).
let’s assume you are using a u2410 because it is a very nice dell ips with comparatively excellent delay/response time. so they say 6-8ms response time, ok that’s grey to grey, nothing to do with input delay.
what’s the input delay then? up to 40ms in regular mode. and something like 10-13ms in game mode, the lowest possible. this is before you add any delay from fba, usb, cpu, windows, etc.
so i’m going to go with ‘setting up fba’ means you just don’t know what the game is supposed to feel like. fba on a crt may come close to oe on a crt but I and most likely the majority are not going to drag out our CRT monitors and hook them up just to play shitty 3S emulation a bit better.
Well, I used to recommend OE, but I don’t have a console anymore. So, I guess FBA and GGPO. I’d probably get OE if it went on Steam or something. The training mode is nice.
i like playing on my stick on a laptop. easy setup
Here’s the .cfg i use for playing
http://speedy.sh/ffsGk/ggpofba.ini
I used to play on acers, but my IPS is actually faster. It has an average input lag of 3.2ms, or about 1/5th of a frame. Scroll down here to see the comparison chart from professional testers.
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_s2740l.htm
One thing to note is that i set my monitor to game mode to achieve the lowest latency. I don’t know if everyone will benefit as much from their manufactures’ game mode. I play OE and it’s just not as good for me.
But, back to the OP’s survey; This was about what would be the most recommended version for a person NEW to 3s for OFFLINE play only. With that in mind, I’d choose FBA because it does a better job of emulating the arcade with things like meters, bars and other graphical issues. Also, I’m always hearing people complain about dropped ex moves on OE. I personally have never experienced it, but that’s what they say. So that’s another reason i’d recommend it for a noob starting 3S. Also, with the proper monitor, you could run the the emulator at the original arcade resolution, 384x228. You can’t do that with OE, even if you hooked it up to the same monitor due to the way they crop the game using software in game(side bars)…so that’s another thing.
this isn’t an argument over which version is the"best".
cool, I’ll copy the settings and see. might be a couple months before I pick up the appropriate equipment and post results.