If your hardware is outdated (Dual Core, 800Mhz RAM), you should not run Windows 7 32 or 64 bit. They are very heavy on system resources, like CPU, RAM. I would not even try Windows 8 on my current build, even though my CPU and ram meet the requirements.<br>You can try different settings on FBA, ex. reduce full screen resolution, Switch Blitter to direct 3D/direct draw, disable all filters, reduce sound to 22kz and see if that makes any difference.<br><br>Yes, the multiple save states feature comes handy. The latest FBA versions also support cheats, if I am not mistaken.<br>I personally find the save replay feature the most useful one. You can save a combo, a set up or anything you tried into a very small file and watch it anytime.<br><br>About online, you should stick to 3SOE. At least, it worked better in your case. If you play often online, 3SOE is your best option.<br></div>
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<font face=“Arial, Verdana” size=“2”><span style=“line-height: normal;”>My hardware is more than capable of running Win7, I think there might just be something up with… my hardware’s compatibility with FBA. I just find it weird that I experience virtually zero input lag on much more current games like BF3 and Skyrim, can also run them at 60+ fps, but 3S runs sluggish. I must have something messed up with 3S settings, but I can’t seem to nail anything down… I’ve been using the same settings you mentioned for the last month or so and it still feels, off…</span></font><div><font face=“Arial, Verdana” size=“2”><span style=“line-height: normal;”><br></span></font></div><div><font face=“Arial, Verdana” size=“2”><span style=“line-height: normal;”>What are your other setting under video? Like the monitor properties, Bitdepth etc.</span></font></div>
I believe every game and emulator on PC carries that lag or “sluggish feeling,” it’s just we notice it more with 3s because of the timing requirements and we’re relatively pretty familiar with it. I’d imagine Skyrim etc lags the same amount and it just matters less so we don’t notice it.<div><br></div><div>not FBA’s fault, PC + Windows fault.</div><div><br></div><div>people seem to have different sensitivities to it. some people say it feels the same, some people say you just have to adjust a little, for me FBA on Windows 7 (running on modern computer) feels unplayable. one of those “YMMV, do whatever works best for you” situations I think.</div>
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<div class=“QuoteAuthor”><a href="/profile/57681/IglooBob">IglooBob</a> said:</div>
<div class=“QuoteText”>I believe every game and emulator on PC carries that lag or “sluggish feeling,” it’s just we notice it more with 3s because of the timing requirements and we’re relatively pretty familiar with it. I’d imagine Skyrim etc lags the same amount and it just matters less so we don’t notice it.<div><br></div><div>not FBA’s fault, PC + Windows fault.</div><div><br></div><div>people seem to have different sensitivities to it. some people say it feels the same, some people say you just have to adjust a little, for me FBA on Windows 7 (running on modern computer) feels unplayable. one of those “YMMV, do whatever works best for you” situations I think.</div></div>
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I’m a stickler when it comes to monitor responsiveness. I play Quake and I also play Super Meat Boy (precise platformer) both on PC and 360, so when I run them on PC using my Syncmaster, I don’t feel a difference between it and a CRT on 360. The same goes for Skyrim, mouse movements feel as close to instant as I can get them. But for 3S, it feels kinda like quicksand, or walking through water… I’ll mess around with the settings more later, but I don’t have high hopes.
when i switched from xp to win7, cps3 emulation went from fairly good to unplayable but it might also be because i went from an nvidia card to onboard intel junk. my ps2->usb converter also doesn’t work in windows 7 for some reason. in either case, because of the array of settings and variability between hardware, i never considered emulation to be valid for competitive play or even serious practice. even though ps2 had problems, it was consistent/stable and the same for everyone. years ago, most of us would accept playing tournament matches on ps2 as long as we had time to practice with it, but if i was asked to play in a tournament on an emulator, even though it’s the arcade data, i would probably say no. iirc at some point people were considering this as an option.<br><br>im not sure what the point of this post was<br>
<font face=“Arial, Verdana” size=“2”><span style=“line-height: normal;”>My hardware is more than capable of running Win7, I think there might just be something up with… my hardware’s compatibility with FBA. I just find it weird that I experience virtually zero input lag on much more current games like BF3 and Skyrim, can also run them at 60+ fps, but 3S runs sluggish. I must have something messed up with 3S settings, but I can’t seem to nail anything down… I’ve been using the same settings you mentioned for the last month or so and it still feels, off…</span></font><div><font face=“Arial, Verdana” size=“2”><span style=“line-height: normal;”><br></span></font></div><div><font face=“Arial, Verdana” size=“2”><span style=“line-height: normal;”>What are your other setting under video? Like the monitor properties, Bitdepth etc.</span></font></div></div>
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Well, if your PC runs the games you mention so well, something is incompatible with FBA pretty much. It could be software (Win7 set up, directx, drivers,) or hardware (CPU, USB port, or something else) related.<br><br><blockquote class=“Quote”>
<div class=“QuoteAuthor”><a href="/profile/2331/Gaijinblaze">Gaijinblaze</a> said:</div>
<div class=“QuoteText”>when i switched from xp to win7, cps3 emulation went from fairly good to unplayable but it might also be because i went from an nvidia card to onboard intel junk. my ps2->usb converter also doesn’t work in windows 7 for some reason. in either case, because of the array of settings and variability between hardware, i never considered emulation to be valid for competitive play or even serious practice. even though ps2 had problems, it was consistent/stable and the same for everyone. years ago, most of us would accept playing tournament matches on ps2 as long as we had time to practice with it, but if i was asked to play in a tournament on an emulator, even though it’s the arcade data, i would probably say no. iirc at some point people were considering this as an option.<br><br>im not sure what the point of this post was<br></div>
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Yes, onboard is very bad. Converters add input delay on the controller. Who said that you use emulator for competitive play? It’s one of the mediums to test and practice stuff. Like any PC software, the performance may vary.<br>You should not treat your PC as a console. It is a system which controls many parts and uses them in milliseconds. The choice of these parts and the way you set up your computer make a difference.<br>If you are not familiar or do not feel interested, do not waste your time. Console is a better alternative.<br><br>I would not try a PS2 for local matches.<br>I have way more issues to adjust my timing there than 3SOE or FBA.<br>
Yeah, I was curious whether we’d seen any votes for PS2. When OE first came out there was a lot of discussion about “is this even better than PS2?” Despite OE being kind of buggy it looks like it has fared reasonably well reputation-wise.
I know there’s no concete evidence but I personally feel like ps2 is much faster than arcade and OE. OE gets a bad rep but I think it’s hugely cause the expectations that everyone had. also I think they represented the game as arcade perfect?
No need to get into it too much more since OE has been discussed A LOT but I think some people need to chill out on the OE hate. If you already own a console, then OE is worth the purchase just for the training mode.
can you record the dummy, or set dummy to random block, parry, crouch, quick stand, display damage, etc using the emulator hacks/plug ins?
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<div class=“QuoteAuthor”><a href="/profile/14195/mpikkon">mpikkon</a> said:</div>
<div class=“QuoteText”><span style=“font-family: ‘lucida grande’, ‘Lucida Sans Unicode’, tahoma, sans-serif; line-height: 1.7em;”>Well, if your PC runs the games you mention so well, something is incompatible with FBA pretty much. It could be software (Win7 set up, directx, drivers,) or hardware (CPU, USB port, or something else) related.</span><br><br></div>
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<div><br></div><div>Yeah, that’s what I was afraid of, but I’ll still mess with FBA settings to see if I can feel a difference.</div><div><span style=“font-style: normal;”><br></span></div><div><span style=“font-style: normal;”><br></span></div><br><blockquote class=“Quote”>
<div class=“QuoteAuthor”><a href="/profile/4267/yuuki">yuuki</a> said:</div><div class=“QuoteAuthor”><span style=“font-family: ‘lucida grande’, ‘Lucida Sans Unicode’, tahoma, sans-serif; line-height: 1.7em;”>can you record the dummy, or set dummy to random block, parry, crouch, quick stand, display damage, etc using the emulator hacks/plug ins?</span></div>
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And that is another thing OE has over FBA. Sure, you can set up macros (which are hard to </span><i>quickly</i> switch between) and such on FBA, but the closest you’ll get to random block is macro’ing yourself wiggling between D and DB for 30+ seconds. You can display damage and other things, like Juggle limit and numbers that indicate if it’s even possible to hit them out of the air on FBA using scripts though, so that’s useful.
For me OE runs a little slower than emulation but the difference isn’t that big of a deal that it stops me from doing Bomb-Ass Aegis-Unblockable setups… If I mained Urien that is. But I can do MP Flashchop>EX Shoulder no problem in either version.
YAY, after 5 hours of testing, I rectified most of my issues with FBA (rr)…<div><br></div><div>Most of the fixes had to do with my monitors settings versus my graphics card settings… But the closest I could get to “instant” was with the latest, standard FBA, not “RR”</div><div><br></div><div>Both have fullscreen horizontal res to 1024 and vertical set to 640 with stretch on full. Both have monitor properties at CRT 4:3.</div><div><br></div><div>Funny enough, I get better response time when I have blitter set to enhanced on both (which means no luascripts for RR… = (. ) , with Pre-scale and Bi-linear checked and Softfx set to SuperScale 75%…</div><div><br></div><div>These settings when using my CRT have VASTLY improved my opinion of 3S FBA. FBA / RR still runs a tad worse, but now it’s far more tolerable!</div><div><br></div><div>I still vote OE for offline on CRT though.</div>
<p> </p><p>I’ve found FBA is the closest to the Arcade. This is in terms of the quality of the animation/smoothness of animation and sound. But it does have an issue with inputs, they don’t seem to be tight as OE or Arcade.</p><p>Online Edition (offline) has the least amount of input delay on a 120hz Monitor. It has less input delay than FBA on the PC and less input delay than any arcade cabinets I’ve played on. But it has junk sound and a console/watered down feel.</p><p> </p><p> </p>
I know this isnt a choice but if anyone owns a pc they should check out arclive offline…ive used just about every port of 3s on pc including mame , nebula, fba…i dont know what emulator arclive uses but it is amazing…it seems as though it has less input delay than the others…
if you know how to set up FBA then there’s no question. I prefer FBA over OE any day of the week. People who don’t like FBA probably just don’t know how to set up their OS and emulator settings properly. Run FBA naked, and the OS naked and you’re golden. That being said, OE is great for training, as many have already mentioned.
I’m willing to pick up a high speed camera and run some tests of OE and FBA side by side. but I’ve already got Windows stripped down to minimum (no visual effects/aero/etc, USB polling rate turned to max) and FBA working as low latency as possible (no scaling video, audio latency turned down as low as it can go without audio crackling, tried various drivers) and the difference between FBA and OE is still pretty apparent.
so if you guys have some tricks of the trade you wanna post I’ll test them and when I have the required equipment post my results. I think if there was a dedicated attempt to quantify the difference between various versions like there was with modern Capcom fighting games it would be good to know for sure. my expectation is that even in best conditions FBA is going to lag inputs/video a couple frames over OE but I’ll test with an open mind. that still won’t do much for our understanding of difference in game speed though.
not to mention are these people all connected to old crt monitors?
i’m not going to connect my computer which I use for work and play to a crt just so i can play fba emulated 3s at its greatest potential.
which is still bad compared to an actual setup. so why would you bother??? it’s just stupid.
the sort of situation where the phrase ‘polishing shit’ is perfect.
I’ll see if i can do some screen grabs of my setup tonight after work and you can try to replicate it. I don’t know if you can save out and share .cfg files in FBA. I can just do that if so. I play on an dell IPS monitor, not CRT and it’s fine for me.