I don’t view the Zero comments as complaints. At least, they aren’t for me. I think he’s better than Wesker, but that’s not a complaint. I just don’t see the complaints. I see discussion about tools, play style, and what characters are good at. I think bullshit has a negative complaining connotation, even when its just being used to describe useful strategy.
kof and apology edition today at my house. people can crash in the extra room upstairs if needed don’t have work till 4pm tomorrow. hit the pm box
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Well a lot of the complaining about him is from threads and stuff I see around recently about ZERO OP. Only legit complaining I see is from Blake in person, atleast as far as NC goes.
If I were going to make a team SPECIFICALLY for Dorm, if you still want to play doom, I would either use hidden missiles or plasma beam, and then either a beam assist or jam session. To break it down:
Hidden Missiles- Adds a lot to Dorms zoning, you can do projectiles from full screen IE finger shot to cover the horizontal plane, then try to guess where they’ll be. Dark hole for frame advantage / confirm to super if it hits. Pillar for chip / less risk in guessing. If they are full screen you basically want to keep them there and read when they’ll try to advance so usually it goes: H pillar H pillar wait M pillar and then Flame Carpet and run in close game. With missiles it covers your bad guesses on his zoning. If you guess they will advance forward and do M pillar and they just stand there, it’s ok because the missiles got your back. Missiles also cover high up if you guess wrong on dark hole, or god forbid they actually get through the zoning, it can serve as a combo breaker. On top of that you can call doom as you launch them and use the missiles for an easier mid screen relaunch. Once the missiles are coming down you can run teleports and tri dash mixups. Basically they’re a good way to enforce everything dorm does.
Plasma Beam- For this you get better horizontal coverage and really quick teleport mixups. It’s also a good assist and it covers teh front door better than missiles, but doesn’t deter teleporters as much as hidden missiles. If you don’t like other beam characters or projectile characters, you should run this. Otherwise stick with hidden missiles.
Jam Session- This one is awesome for 2 reasons. Jam session + flame carpet covers dorms front door so well pretty much no one is getting past it. Once Jam session makes contact it pushes them full screen again, and if you teleport with the push back, if you vary your timing, you can easily get left / right / high / low mixups from a block one. I think due to the lock down / screen coverage / push back, this is the absolute best assist for Dorm hands down, but of course not everyone wants to play Dante.
Overhead assist + flame carpet = unblockable. Nova, Akuma, Viper all work really well for this. Just do a block strong while calling assist and then flame carpet. Viola, unblockable.
Up arrows via Task and Hawk Eye can also serve for upwards coverage if you don’t want to use Dante and you want to use Plasma beam.
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back up outside of the dive kick range and make them run into st.M or flame carpet. You can hit them out of it with cr.M but that’s risky if you mistime it.
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Dormammu in the air is mashing H anyway. On the ground they shouldn’t be that close. But if they are Dorm can combo off of his ground throw too.
I think he’s a contender for #1 too actually. Just not a lot of people fleshing him out right now. IMO the top characters are: Wesker, Magneto, Dormammu, Zero, Vergil, Dante… maybe Captain America. WHAT NO DOOM!!! Nah, I don’t think Doom is that scary, but his assists are amazing. So overall I guess he could be a top character but when he’s on point, I don’t see him being top. Just for overall team contribution.
The team I’m currently running is Dorm/Hawk/Wesk. Hawk acts as a standard beam assist (offense/zoning) while Wesk acts as a combo extension and occasional unblockable setup. I just felt like those characters weren’t optimal choices for Dorm. I really love Doom’s assists but I absolutely hate playing that character while on point cause he feels rather limited in a lot of match-ups. Even though I want my team to revolve around Dorm I want it to still function when he dies. It’s so hard to make a team revolving around Dorm cause he doesn’t really need much in the way of assists. Ever since they made dark matter cancelable it allowed him to cover up so many of his previous weaknesses. Also what do you think of MastaCJ’s Dorm? He’s running Dorm/Mag/Wesk and has been winning pretty much every Big Two and 8 on the Break up in NY and NJ for the past month now. It’s pretty similar to my team I just don’t care much for Mag in this game.
On an unrelated note I’ve finally got around to picking up KOF XIII seriously. I’m running Clark/Shen/Kyo and I’m really liking how they feel. I might get rid of Kyo cause I only picked him cause I used him to learn the game’s engine, I’ll see after I explore the cast more. I really love Clark though, that “come at me bro” move had me sold immediately.
He uses that team because that was his Vanilla team. He’s very comfortable with using Magneto and the beam assist comes out faster than Doom’s (?)
Masta CJ has really sweet looking Dormammu combos. knockdown, flight mode, wesker pops em up, 3 or 4 more hits into another knockdown, pillar ect ect. I like that shit. I don’t play marvel very much but I would agree for Dorm to be in top 5 lists.
Anyone got some vids? I’m sure he’s leveled up a lot.
I played him at Evo for a bit… we went back and forth (only person I didn’t go back and forth with was Flocker, he just straight up raped me lol). The Mag beam is definitely the best beam assist for cross ups I think. Faster, scales less, on a better character than Doom. I don’t like Hawkeyes arrows since some characters can duck them… I think Zero is one of them. Wesker can do his normal crouching chains and it’ll go under them too while he hits you.
Dorm can be played a lot of ways, if you watch CJ play he’s more rushdown oriented, if you watch F Champ play, it’s all about the zoning. I think the be effective you have to do both depending on matchups.
Dorm shines second IMO since he likes meter and he’s ass at round start. He needs breathing room to start setting people on fire and having magneto walk into your face at round start doesn’t really do much for that lol.
Well last night at EZ was lost of fun. KOF 13 is coming a long, learning a lot. Apology Edition is actually fun, Guile is a beast!! Geif.Juri and Viper seem better too.I’ll give it a shot since I already own the game anyway. lol 3SOE, me and Urien are gettin along pretty well.
Finally played KOF13 online and bought Iori with the flames. Net code was quite good for me anyway, almost no lag. This is PSN by the way. I played with an old school NEOGEO head buddy of mine from waaaay back in the days. Brought back some great memories!! That man is still a beast in SNK games! I really like Iori with the flames and he seems to play like a slightly slower and stiffer version of himself, but I guess it fits the engine. Compared to 2k2 they are all slower.lol But I won with him with little effort.(o)/
Now gettin ready to play some CYBER BOTS!!! YEEEAAAH!!!
Any tekken players on Xbox? Add me PaxHeat
Heroes and heralds vs was a lot of fun with Oj. I think if we run a tournament for it, we should ban Fin Fang Foom though, it’ll boil down to Fin Fang Foom and decks that counter it, kinda stupid.
Morrigan with infinite astral vision is a little annoying lol
Also parrying Phoenix activation and then killing her = ULTRA HYPEEEEE
I’ve never conisdered Zero a threat for me. He loses to zoning from my experience. But I wish I has more experience again Dormamu. The last time I fought a confident Dorm was at Jon’s play before I left for Georiga. He’s definitely a bigger threat to me.
Anyways. Good games at the triad session. It was good seeing Charlotte cats making it out.
In case you missed it.
Also, Mr. Karate is gonna be out January 10th. Might come out in a bundle with NESTS Kyo for PSN, but not exactly sure on that part.
I heard on WakeupSRK that there is no local H&H multiplayer?
You can go into training mode and set up a 1v1
Going to cross-post this, the topic came up of Arcana’s longevity in the scene.
Our Arcana tournaments are generally 5-7, and I think they’ll still be around that number without Rob. I believe JasonL said he’d be moving here soon (Fayetteville), so that’s another player. We also have other people from out of state or further away come occasionally (SC, karapalm, Boone/farther west NC when they can make it).
Rob is out, so we lose our best player, but on the same token it should give several of you guys a more attainable high placing. Now, the people to beat are just Doug and myself! Step it up and let’s tighten the gaps to have a stronger scene when Rob comes back. I don’t think NC should go from placing 1st at a major to a week later dropping the game entirely.
Several folks have have teetered on playing or not. I think it’s clear that this is one of our strongest scenes in NC, so give it a shot. We’re a nice, easygoing bunch and a game that looks like this can’t be hard to play, right? Or hard to beat the wackos that play it? ;p
I think my games are going to be this, KOF and then SC5 when it comes out. Three at most is good for me. Melty Blood might makes it way into playability, but I don’t know how that will go.
I enjoyed Arcana, but I know I’d never get the combos down enough to be competitive. I’ve played a few top players online and got shredded so hard I thought I was playing Hokuto.
I’d rather play Arcana then anything Capcom though.
Copy paste what Brent said, replace Arcana with Blazblue and I said the same thing. Except we don’t have people entering blazblue at EZ, only in Charlotte… that’s a problem… also we aren’t nice and easy-going either… that’s another con… well screw it then. LOL. ONWARD TO SOUL CALIBUR 5!!! I’m probably only playing SC5 when it comes out and I can’t wait til people start complaining SC5 is too hard and complicated.
I just got Extend today, but I dunno how much time I’ll be able to put in, given that my dad “surprised” me with a GSD puppy. >=|