I have a good friend I play with online and he was saying where he lives there is no community I saw a few months back tournaments in this area? Is there still a group of players doing things in hickory or nearby?
The biggest disadvantage in competitive fighting games I can see an 8 yr old having, is the advanced mind games played at high levels. In Marvel, there are mind games but it’s more about visually tricking your opponent and coming up with very strong setups.
It’s less about reaction, defense and pattern recognition/avoiding as it is just getting your crazy setups off first. This is a game you can get good at in training mode.
In AE you can go into training mode and learn all of the combos you want, but have fun landing them and putting them to practical use in high level competition if you can’t defend well or get mind f*****.
In marvel all it takes is playing a lot, and having really good setups. How cheap can you be? Well apparently, Noah knows how to be pretty cheap. The biggest disadvantage a younger player has over an older player is minimized in marvel, and so he succeeds.
Marvel 3 = building up your skills to the point where your team can put forth the “guess right once, your dead” tactic. Once your there, it truly is a guessing game.
Noah is awesome.
not as young as 8, but there are definitely kids that compete at high levels in other things.
Also, maybe there wasn’t another (current) game to attract a young audience before now. Comic book heroes and giant explosions…what’s not for a kid to like about MvC3?
Edit: also, it sounds like people had known about him for a little while. i thought he looked familiar from this hitbox video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd_d126aGiY
Fucking 12yr olds beating adults… I knew chess was gonna be wayyyyyyyy more scrubby than checkers but nobody wants to listen. Worthless game, can’t wait til chess 2.0 when they change that castling B.S.
Even though that comment has nothing to do with my mindset, I still had to like it since it was pretty funny. xD
To clarify… I got nothing against kids doing well. It’s more like these games that are changing, which may result in kids doing well. If an 8-year-old can beat top players in 3rd or Guilty Gear or whatever, then more power to them, I can respect that. Same goes for kid prodigies who are musicians, chess players, athletes, etc. I have absolutely no problem with kids / women / or whatever being able to compete as long as the playing field isn’t “lowered” for them to compete. You don’t see people widening their basketball goals and lowering their rims to 8 foot to help kids to compete on the same level as adults… But when you get a high school prodigy who has the talent to meet certain standards, they will get accepted into college / NBA / etc… These competitive leagues aren’t going to lower their standards so more kids can compete with them, these kids gotta prove themselves to be on “their” level.
And while people can say,“these are games, not the NBA”, the fact still goes that these games are still considered “competitive”. That’s why we have majors, EVO, MLG, sponsors, etc…
To further explain myself (maybe you can understand my perspective a little more). If you see a kid on television who is great at singing, you’ll think to yourself, “damn that kid has talent”. But then you flip the channel and see some random music video with some kid using auto-tune, you’re not going to respect him / her (at least I’m not). I’m looking at this situation as “auto-tune” more than raw talent even if the kid is good. So it puts the question in my head : would he be “that” talented without auto-tune (analogy)?
TLDR:
I have no problem with kids or women (ugly / good looking / whatever) competing. I have a problem with them competing due to lowered standards. Chess players or whatever aren’t lowering their standards for competition, so they have nothing to do with this.
I was more trying to say that the 8 year old isn’t the only one. There are quite a few people showing up in top 3 for Marvel that have never shown up for top 8 in anything else ever. It’s not just this kid, it’s Marvel. It’s a combination between how fickle the game is combined with semi-top/mid-tier players not playing because of the fickleness. So you’ve got the people who, not that they are bad, haven’t done well in anything before doing well in Marvel. It’s not the case 100% of the time, but I see it more than in any other game. Even SF4, that was supposed to be a scrub-friendly game anyway. MvC3 is way more friendly to that.
Also, the whole thing about kids learning faster wasn’t really an observation, it was science. It’s not that they “just learn faster.” Their brains actually create more pathways/connections than an adult. A kid from 1-5 or 5-10 has more pathways than a 15 year old or an adult. Kids pick up on shit fast. It’s not just a coincidence.
True, that’s why they tell parents that you should try to teach your kids as many languages as possible while they’re still young. they can take it all in…mental sponges.
Also, weather or not standards are “lowered” is an opinion. each game is its own standard…everyone’s playing by the same rules. there isn’t adult/guy rules, adult/women rules, kids under 16 rules…that would be totally different, like some sort of handicapping system (which a lot of amateur leagues do).
So apparently Noah got recruited by Team MadCatz right after Evo. Wish I had supportive parents when I was a kid lol
Noah : MvC3 :: Prodigy : Chess analogy only works if for some reason at a chess tournament the kid faced a bunch of guys who liked throwing their pawns unguarded in front of a rook.
MvC3 system : MvC3 community :: Bad : Worse
I agree mostly with Smurvis and Seventh. Although it should have always been no question that games are lowering their standards and making it more casual or easy to “get in” to these new fighters. I mean not all but there are a good amount these days doing that and for good reason too. Personally I can’t wait till we get out of this generation of games when everyone is ready and then hope development on games like the old classics starts up again and if fighting games need a revival later like SF4 did then sure that’s good for the community and business but I don’t want development to be like this forever. Not that the level of skill required to get good at a game really effects how fun it is but overall it’s important on the competitive levels.
The problem is those attitudes are what led to declining sales. The most important thing is depth, not difficulty.
That’s what I’m liking about Arcana right now of all things, the game has depth.
That’s definitely true. The type of games you still play 10 years later and still learning new things about or just being able to realize how far certain game mechanics can make a game go. It’s a hard battle, I don’t think I could create a game people would be satisfied with so as far as that goes I try not to judge so much.
Some guys from North and South Carolina came last time, hope to see you guys again this year!
You don’t know what you can create until you try, which is something I’ve heard from several indie designers. Are you trying to learn to code now?
Is anyone here gonna be at UNC Chapel Hill this Fall? I’m entering as a freshman and I’d like to be able to play fighting games (mostly SF4) with someone.
What up guys, I’m back. See a lot of discussion going on about that kid and also the games, kinda sucks that when a person you wouldn’t normally see winning getting those W’s, people always try to explain it away. He’s playing a really easy team and focusing on super basic stuff. He probably has some pretty solid fundamentals but that easy mode team definitely helps get him some wins, so I doubt you’ll be seeing him do well in other stuff. You need more complexity than that if you want to break past a certain point.
Also placing at Evo is MAD random, it could be he just got lucky and never fought anyone that knew how to handle that strategy until higher in the bracket. I played Evil Rahsan in a side tournament finals and won, and he was shocked I didn’t make top 32, but it’s just the nature of Marvel… sometimes you get randomed out. That game is mad chaotic by nature so you’re going to be seeing crazy results for a while as long as X Factor is the way it is.
Not to take anything away from the kid but watching his matches, he wasn’t doing anything impressive. The only impressive part is the fact he’s 8… but how hard is it to mash on super armored moves and do ABCS ABCS Super X Factor blah blah? Hulk and Sentinel and Wesker is almost as easy as it gets. I think people were just not expecting that level of play from a kid. Plus, nerves and all that.
But yeah evo was fun, lots of leveling up, side tournaments were the best part because of all the chances to level up vs good players. I got to fight Neo in a finals, Evil Rahsan, and quite a few others. Definitely check that G4G stuff out if you guys ever go to evo.
BTW WILL… wtf did you do to my mouse when you were on my computer? That shit stopped working after you were on there at my pre evo gathering.
Oh and on a side note, NC is definitely not far off in Marvel from being truly competitive. Keep leveling up guys, we’re pretty much on their level minus matchup experience.
That’s because being truly competitive in the current Marvel scene doesn’t take much effort. It’s a very random game and nobody has bothered to really try to take it past that next level. The easy stuff is just that, way too easy and way too good; why bother to develop potentially stronger teams when Wolverine and Phoenix do all the work for you? Especially considering Ultimate is only a few months away.
Well, wolverine / phoenix didn’t win Evo so that’s gotta say something.
From what I played of ultimate, most of the other characters aren’t so different that it warrants dropping vanilla. They’re basically nerfing the braindead easy stuff and pulling the other characters up a bit. Of the matches I lost this weekend, every single one of them was to something that’s being taken out in Ultimate, so that has to say something. We’re gonna have a really good game.
But yeah get this, Zero can cancel ALL of his moves into buster. DP, lightning dive, command dashes, etc etc. So imagine someone is flying around and I land a random upwards lightning dive cross up… level 3 buster, lightning dive back down… GG. Also ryuenjin can actually be used as an anti air now since it leads to a full combo with buster. And he can command dash / buster cross up super fast like Wolverine with berserker slash. Zero is looking way better.
Yeah some of the Marvel changes I heard at the panel were nuts.
Vegas was pretty fun this year. I have no idea what happened with Ian, he wasn’t there.