No Time to Die (October 8, 2021) Official Thread

She will take Bond’s place as 007…

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She’s a great actress. However, If this is true . . . . . . .the hounds of hell will be unleashed upon her.

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the end of an era it seems

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Fhope she has thick skin.

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Change.org about to explode. My money is on them switching it for 1 movie like born identity

The era of casting an actor that fit the Ian Fleming description arguably ended when they cast Daniel Craig (blond, short and stocky). Outside of the refreshing and highly unrelated plot of Skyfall the rest of the films with Craig have been abysmal. Especially when they tried to adapt the source material.

However, I can’t help but laugh at first-rate Western male protagonists being changed into second-rate females in modern fiction. It is too funny.

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It’s been done twice before. It’s not anything particularly new.

What makes (supposedly) her second rate?

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Where did they switch bond up?

Not a formidable alpha female or formidable sigma female relative to source material.

George Lazenby and David Niven. It was in the late 60s. Those two only had one film.

New take on an old story. Isn’t that what we want more of? I don’t necessarily see anything wrong with it. 007 is just an agent title.

Besides, these are characters based on Ian Fleming’s literature. Perhaps they write a “formidable alpha female”.

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The writing can’t change a delta actress.

The issue will be because for decades the character was portrayed a specific way. Changes in the character need to make sense. Say current bond does die and a passing of the torch to our new 007 happens. I can believe that and would not give it much thought.

I stress as always, If they pander too hard, then don’t be surprised when people call it out.

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It is called acting for a reason.

I agree. Same rule applied with Craig stepping in due to his appearance and demeanor.

I don’t recall any other Bond passing the torch from one to the next.

Maybe this is just the direction that they want to move in. Would Idris Elba have been a better choice or would that have been less of a pander alarm?

I was unsure of him as well when he was Bond but I gave him a chance and It was good. Script aside, his portrayal was good.

You’re right but I’m trying to rationalize from the perspective of an uninformed move goer who would say “Hey when did they change 007 from a British Male to this Woman?” As many of Bond’s signature things don’t mesh too well with a female…well at least at face value.

I would have been find with Idris Elba. I think the issue is more about the lead being female which subverts much of what we expect out of a bond film.

Having said that, if she was lesbian, then interestingly enough, much of Bond can stay in place. That leads me to then ask what do we have as an expectation of a 007?

That’s a problem for the story department to fix. If we can have space wizards and the like, it’s not really a hard nut to crack.

It’s a casting choice. You can still do most of the things in a Bond film, but play off of the female power dynamic.

007 needs to be an exceptionally capable agent across multiple areas (espionage, hand to hand combat, weaponry, gadgetry, etc). The franchise has been pushing closer to that of Mission Impossible over the last few films. The character (role) has definitely evolved from Sean Connery’s portrayal to that of Daniel Craig. None of the things mentioned necessarily require men to be in that role. It’s just what we’re used to seeing.

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That shit ended way the fuck back when they cast Roger Moore.

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Roger Moore fit the physical description better than Connery due to having blue eyes. Even David Niven in the odd 1967 ‘Casino Royale’ relatively fit the description with the exception of a mustache.

Not really no.

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At no point did any of the above actors have to wear platform shoes unlike Daniel Craig.