No Girls Allowed - eSport organization institutes segregated competition

If I’m reading this correctly the main tournament is male only so including women in the qualifiers would conflict with this.

That’s at least my understanding of it because obviously a male only division wouldn’t work out so well if there we women in it. I could be wrong in that deduction though but even if I am taking it wrong it still doesn’t seem like embarrassment or shame were mentioned as possible factors which is directly what the SJW are claiming. From what I can tell this has more to do with just maintaining the men’s division apart from the women’s division…although even in that regard I think it’s dumb to not have a open single division.

Robin Williams didn’t place at Evo and Vin Diesel wasn’t running some big time D&D ring while doing nothing else with his life. Your examples prove the point.

There are plenty of dudes that casually play video games. I think most of us on here casually play video games. But to be a hardcore player, to make a living off of playing games? To consistently place in the top spots at big money tournaments? That’s not a lifestyle you can keep because of the time commitment.

I basically also agree with fishjie’s post.

As human beings we really are very limited in both time and ability. It’s a very rare person that can be elite in multiple areas. For us lesser/normal human beings, of which I include myself of course, we can’t even be really good at too many things at once. Even when playing fighting games, I’ve found at most I can play maybe 3 different games at a time, and even then I am getting stretched a bit thin over it and will have trouble with someone that only plays that one game, regardless of talent level at it if we both focused just on that one game.

A lot of things we do in life are skills. Academics are a skill. Fighting games are a skill. Sociability is also a skill! When you focus on one thing you are giving up on something else. Again for us normal humans.

A genius can come along and sure they can do lots of different things. But why would a genius even waste their time on fighting games, honestly? They can be so much more productive in other endeavors. And it still will take time for them to build muscle memory and experience.

I’ve met a lot of successful people in life so far. And one thing that is apparent is that whatever they are successful in, it’s usually their entire life. They eat, sleep and breathe it. From yes fighting games, to sports like basketball, to medicine, to law, to politics, to anything else you can think of. I would have conversations with big time lawyers making 7-8 figures a year and it was obvious they didn’t watch movies, they didn’t follow sports, they didn’t watch TV and they barely had time for family, most were divorced several times. That’s a price these guys were paying to get to the top.

The question is, do you want to give everything up to maybe succeed in that one area? No guarantee even if you give it up that you make it, but it is pretty much a guarantee that you have to put the work in. Women are very good at figuring that type of thing out, not even consciously, I think they subconsciously do it. And they realize something like video games is not worth the sacrifice. In general women aren’t willing to make that sacrifice for anything, instead choosing to take advantage of affirmative action or to latch onto a man that is doing whatever that thing is to bring home the bacon.

A lot of people will focus on something when they’re young and make a lot of money, and then start pulling back and living life. But you’re not going to get that out of fighting games. Your skills won’t carry over into anything else. There’s no coasting on past success or past skills and then supervising or whatever. You get that one shot in your teens and twenties and then that’s it.

…What?

This organization stated that it is abiding by legitimate sporting regulations thus dividing men and women. The main tournament features a game which is open to men only therefore by this virtue a woman can’t compete because she would then be competing in the men’s division.

What I brought up was a tweet which specifically stated the reason for the exclusion was due to women embarrassing men which is evidently false by what’s actually being said. The exclusion isn’t based off some fear of emasculation like these SJW are claiming but rather by the idiotic organizers trying desperately to make E-sports "actual sports"by creating separate divisions. What you posted actually indicated the very opposite of their accusations and that’s what I was addressing in my first comment about them.

Why is people falling over Serpent’s weak trolling mixup?

Fucking hell, with outlooks like this its a wonder any hobbies have communities.

Personally I’m running a small anime club at the moment, the only money we get coming in is through venue fees and I certainly aren’t getting paid to do it nor do I have enough money to just bankroll it myself, I know people in another city near me who are also doing the same (also unpaid) and I hear that there are groups further away doing this too.

We didn’t need to beg for venues, although being non-profit groups has helped secure better rates on a few of the venues we’ve been at.

I find it hard to believe that nobody else is doing the same with fighting games and that every other hobby group out there is a for profit organisation trying to make it big at all costs too.

People shouldn’t demand that people work for free when they don’t want to, but please stop pretending that none of us are willing to put in a bit of time and effort for something we enjoy.

Ok as a hobbyist i commend you you know that if you want to enjoy your hobby you have to put that work in. If you want to devalue your time by committing so much of your work to your hobby, so that others may enjoy it,for no gain it is absolutely commendable, i’m sure your community appreciates it.
If its anything over a 30-40 person event id say you need your head checked though.
Were not talking about playing games at the hobby level this is not street ball we are talking about this is the NBA. There is a clear difference between dedicating your free time and dedicating your life to something. This isnt super fun hobby time this is professional gaming and the key difference between amateurs the guys beating everyone down at the local court and the pro’s is the paycheck.
Things just have to work differently. It’s not all hey everything is everything it’s all whatever, there’s people who are employed by these organizations they need to get paid to survive, there’s players playing who you need to get paid regardless of placing based on sponsor money they need screen time, there’s investors who need a return, and you cant mean to tell me that you are going through all the trouble of gettign these people paid and not going to get paid yourself.
There’s a hell of a lot more involved then everyone get together have fun and play.

lol the fighting game community is grimy as hell, are you kidding me? i’m friends with a lot of ppl in the NW scene on facebook (no one posts on SRK anymore because the site is hideous, even with ad blocker blocking the intrusive ads), and occasionally posts by certain… questionable people make it onto my feed. there are literally people whining because northwest majors, the premier FG tournament in the northwest, was trying to charge like a 20$ entry fee. 20 fucking dollars. what a joke. its like they expect this huge tournament to just be free and that the organizers should just pay everything out of pocket.

then there’s all these posts about people getting their stuff stolen. pretty despicable. and then there was that time sanford couldn’t attend evo because he jumped a subway turn stile? and then there was this other time duc do conned everyone here into investing in studio traffic, AND THE THREAD GOT STICKIED AT THE TOP.

so the moral of the story is, if you want to be a progamer, don’t. but if you must, don’t pick fighting games. its got a bad reputation for a reason.

Most of y’all niggas are considering going to Finland as we speak, I’m sure of it.

People here sweating estrogen nowadays.

Ahh the usual"OMG you guys must hate girls"or"if you guys just got pussy you wouldn’t say that."

Missing specs and spirit juices nonsense right about now.

The irony here is that a bunch of women are now fighting tooth and nail to take part in a tournament that’s proven itself to be run by draconian old sexist fucks. Shouldn’t they be turning their backs on it? The draconian old fucks, regardless of what they do next, get more PR, and if they go back on their decision, they get more money too, since women will flood in to qualify, just to make a point.
Furthermore, if a woman wins in Finland, she’ll still not be able to compete in the IeSF that she’s qualified for in Azerbaizan, since those guys won’t be moving an inch. No harm to the Finnish organizers.
Whole lotta fucked up.

I can understand physical sports but not HOBBIES.

The decision was in place to abide by the standards set on by professional sports. The decision was not in place to keep women down it was enacted in a misguided attempt to legitimatize gaming as a actual sport. It’s obvious extending the same barrier between male and female players is idiotic in the context of gaming but in order for this organization to be considered a"sport"they had to set this rule.

As for the odds of a woman actually winning this event…if past experiences in competitive gaming have taught us anything it’s that it wasn’t necessary to implement this division because it’s likely a woman wouldn’t have gotten that far anyways.

The big problem is trying to legitimize video games as a sport. Video games is its own thing and doesn’t have to be anything else.

I like how even after you were warned about getting banned you still have a rock hard erection for me. SRK really IS gay. :coffee:

The decentralized, DIY style of competitive gaming looks better everyday. For the majority of us who severely decrease their time spent playing fighting games once college is over or have a kid or whatever relevant milestone, there’s really no benefit to this esports crap, just more opportunity for embarrassment by association. But I’m in that “severely decreased their time spent playing” camp so I don’t really have a dog in this race. And it’s not like 3s is ever getting the esports treatment :rofl:

Work is work time is time

I agree, it wasn’t put in place to “keep women down”, don’t tie me in with that crowd lol. It was put in place because it was easier and posed little to no risk to the Finnish organizers to just go with it. I’m just pointing out that despite all of this, women are going to be rallying to take part in something that they morally should be competing against, since it’s already, fundamentally failed them.

Well when it comes down to it, professional sports are still games. The only real difference is that one is a physically athletic sport and the other one is mental. E-Sport companies and organizers are trying to bring e-sports to the same legitimacy as regular professional sports, but in the end it really just comes down to semantics or the evolution of language and how the definition of words change over time. In any case, I really have no idea what the organizers are thinking trying to compare e-sports to regular sports and make a ridiculous rule separating men and women, considering the only reason why there are men and women divisions in regular sports is due to the physical strength advantage men usually have over women. Sounds like the IeSF shot themselves in the foot.

There also seem to be some updates after news broke out.

Agreed and I don’t know why this ever became a "thing"to begin with.

I don’t see the ruling developing much traction internationally. People will realize how foolish it is to consider gaming a sport and cutting half 50% of the population will just fuck over organizers in the long run…why reduce your revenue stream. Granted I am of the opinion that women probably wouldn’t be that present anyways so in the end all they did was eliminate an already niche demographic.