No Blazblue at EVO 2012

I’m not surprised that BlazBlue didn’t make the cut at all based on last year’s numbers. The part that is messed up is how people look at numbers post EVO as a way of deciding that the game is dead(NEC and SCR in particular). Everyone and their mother knows that extend is around the corner and I’ve made sure to recommend the wait for that game instead of CS2 whenever anyone asks me. Street Fighter had a similar scenario before and after 2012 version when the game disappeared from Wednesday night fights one week and got moved from main event to second slot at SCR. Stream numbers were a bit down, but it wasn’t too drastic.

If that much could happen to Street Fighter imagine what a new game would do to a tiny scene like the BlazBlue one. Either way… I’ll still be playing BlazBlue and I’ll totally tune in if they manage to get it on streams for 2012. I’ve decided to try and broaden my horizon a bit by checking out KOF on the incoming IPW stream, but I don’t know where and when a BlazBlue/Skullgirls stream will pop up.

He worded it incorrectly(the intricacies the written word lol), but I understand what he is trying to say. If some diehard Guilty Gear fans weren’t so caught up with breaking down BlazBlue the game would be more successful.

This doesn’t even make sense, people who bitch about BB obviously wouldn’t be supporting the game.

Whatever you say about SRK/Capcom illuminati their games always get good turnouts.

Love and attention from developers AND the community?

200 entrants at a “world championship” tournament is a joke dude. I’m not going to speak on MK but I can definitely see why people who only play your types of games would hate it, but the grand finals was very enjoyable to watch for me from a purely spectator perspective. I also enjoy watching BlazBlue as well but a tournament that draws less than 20 entrants at a major DOES NOT deserve to be at evo as a main game.

Maybe this will give you anime guys (not to be derogatory) a kick in the ass to develop your offline scene again because I have heard Mr Wiz state time and time again that the ball is completely in your court and so far you’ve been failing.

Maybe cut the pompous entitled attitude as well, too.

I dorked out a little bit and compiled a timeline for fact-checking.

11/19/08 - arcade BBCT
07/17/09 - Evo 2009
07/30/09 - console BBCT
11/20/09 - arcade BBCS
07/09/10 - Evo 2010
07/27/10 - console BBCS
12/09/10 - arcade BBCS2
05/17/11 - console BBCS2
07/29/11 - Evo 2011
10/05/11 - arcade BBCSE
01/04/12 - (today)
02/14/12 - console BBCSE
07/08/12 - Evo 2012

Dates pulled from Wikipedia and GameFAQs and Google and wherever. Arcade releases are for Japan (durr), console releases are for North America (we are here).

You’ve probably haven’t been to dustloop much over the past couple of years. For the longest time the moderators and tourney players themselves hated on the game as much as anyone. It’s gotten a little better as of late though.

I’m only going to post once and never reply back, I just want to put some food for thought out there.

I think one of the most important questions that should be mulled over, but isn’t at the moment, is, what are the actual implications of such a decision? There’s the obvious answer, it won’t be at EVO 2012, and then the not so obvious answers such as being relegated to a sub-event at majors (if they are acknowledged at all, otherwise a side event) and the fact that anyone who overlaps between BlazBlue and the “money” games will no longer give the time of day (or even consideration) to BlazBlue because it will not be at EVO 2012 and there’s only a finite amount of time you can dedicate to any particular game. These not so obvious implications impact the BlazBlue community a lot more than the “official” presence of it at Las Vegas.

The biggest problem that I see in the BlazBlue community currently is the lack of new blood and stagnation. There are a variety of reasons why this is the case, and there’s also the harsh reality that at this particular time, BlazBlue will never be able to compete on equal ground with any of Capcom’s heavyweights in terms of pure numbers. This in itself isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but in terms of an event like EVO, it is.

Now that those two things are out of the way, the other major issue I see being thrown around is, what do we do now? The way I look at it, BlazBlue (and the “anime” community in general) really only have two options in the future: accept your role as a “side-event” forever (unless the scene changes dramatically), or break off from the “main” fighting game community and establish your own independent niche, similar to what the Smash scene chose to do.

We need to be frank, in order for BlazBlue to register with EVO again, it’ll need to produce substantially higher numbers than it currently does, and superior, or at least on par, with its direct competitors (the non-capcom games). This is going to be more difficult to do with the above mentioned implications of EVO not officially supporting BlazBlue, and even if it DOES happen, what does that actually mean in the long-run? Are you guys really content with playing second fiddle to the main games? What happens if BlazBlue gets cut again? What happens if BlazBlue is STILL not taken back despite the community’s best efforts? Does the scene just die? Is that really ok with you guys?

Maybe it’s time to seriously consider establishing your own major to replace EVO for anime games, but before that can happen, the anime community needs to come together as a whole and stop the pointless (and stupid) in-fighting that you guys have not only between yourselves and the “main” games, but with your fellow kin as well. You guys won’t be able to generate the numbers that EVO would but more importantly, you’ll be able to establish the respect you guys feel you so deserve, and you can run things on your terms, your way. Some things that you guys can consider:

-Have a system similar to the EVO series where majors are set-up and recognized in major areas. Have incentive to compete and place well in these majors. High placers in singles can get points to be seeded in the “main” event. The winner can get airfare to fly out to the main event (to avoid the excuse of the “poverty” reason). Perhaps the top 3 players from each major are allowed to participate in a special team invite only event at the main event with an additional pot bonus to encourage high placers in each region, and to foster rivalries between regions. For teams, spots can be placed down to the next best finisher if certain people can’t go, but seeded points can not. In order to qualify as a “major”, you need to be able to meet specific attendance requirements (which helps encourage the local scene to maximize attendance at their particular major).

-Invite some top international talent for that particular game.

-Have a good stream (from a technical standpoint) going.

-Get some good commentators to hype it up. Not everyone can commentate effectively, even if they are a top player…

-Perhaps take advantage of certain things that can only be done (or are unique) within the “anime” community. The “anime” community will NEVER be mainstream, so why bother advertising or appealing yourself as such? Recognize your demographic and maximize it, there’s nothing worse than pretending to be something you’re not.

You’ll notice that all of these things require money. Yes, some poor soul(s) will have to put in their hard-earned dollars towards a thankless and ultimately, losing proposition from a financial standpoint. They’ll also have to deal with the logistical nightmare, all voluntarily and completely on their own free time. That’s just what’s going to have to happen if you want to make this a reality. It’s also highly possible that the first few years doing this don’t exactly produce stellar results, that’s how it goes for almost any start-up though. Well, I just wanted to throw out some food for thought, I’m not going to be visiting this thread again, so whatever comes of this is fine and dandy.

Most of the people shitting on SFxTK haven’t even played the game and have just jumped on some bandwagon they’ll happily jump off if they like the game when the actually play it. It was hilarious how many people were quoting Ultradavid’s opinion yet if he posted his thoughts on AE tiers list most of them would think he’s nuts. (lol @ Cammy not being Top 10 in 2012 but Hakan is yes)

Blazblue was dead last in attendance last year, SFxTK will be #2 or #3 once people realize that the gem issue is completely overblown, most of the internet FGC shitted on MK9 last year and that was still easily the 3rd most attended and watched game of last Evo. People thinking that SFxTK replaced Blazblue or stole Skullgirls spot are flat out idiots, look @ KOF instead.

this post is so poor I can’t tell if you’re serious?

Right out of the gate, Blazblue couldn’t even beat Tekken last year for attendance at Evo, and BB was the ONLY game at Evo last year that couldn’t break 200 entries. Straight up that is just sad, no matter how good the tournament ended up being.

Secondly AKSYS was too busy throwing around cash to EVERY OTHER TOURNAMENT but Evo, and Evo saw zero support from them last year.

When the very company cant support Evo, or the players dont show up at all, what did you really think was going to happen?

So I guess you missed the part where somewhere around three times as many players entered MK9 than BB at Evo. Also, you are totally fabricating this massive plummet of viewers when MK was on, but I guess your argument doesn’t hold up if you don’t just make shit up, so you do what you gotta do.

I don’t know why you would think it wouldn’t. it’s a good game, it’s a solid draw at tournaments since it’s been out, and the KOF has a very strong international following. Evo is a world tournament, and it’s the perfect opportunity to engage the international KOF scene. It was pretty much a lock in my mind, certainly moreso than MK, which was also included last year for similar reasons.

So the characters whos play styles I like and I play in a video game show who I support in real life? Nigga shut the hell up and stop assuming shit because it makes you look stupid and childish as fuck.

Man I dunno, KOF never gets any love. Or didn’t until 13 came out :stuck_out_tongue:

i think the question being asked should be

why didnt BB get turnouts at the tourneys throughout the year if its such a good game :y

KoF is like futbol/soccer.

Ok…why are aiming this at MK? We prove ourselves and build a community. This quite shocking coming from BB players.( A game I also mess around in). BB just got screwed this year.(CSE comes out in Feb). It’s a good game don’t get me wrong. I think we need to stop bashing other games to make ourselves feel better. The BB community need to step up their game. The Mk community busted their asses before and after EVO. And to be honest with you…I see BB coming back at EVO 2013 or 2014. But I really felt Skullgirls should have gotten that spot over SFXT.

Because MK is like the antihesis of Anime games, so that makes it smart all the more :stuck_out_tongue:

One thing that I am very curious about is what Blazblue’s tournament entry numbers were prior to NEC and SCR. It never seemed like it was very low until the last couple of months leading up to the release of Extend, which is kind of to be expected since most people will have moved on or are waiting for the new version of the game rather than spend money to travel out on the outdated version that people have stopped practicing.

Practice what you fucking preach…you fucking clown shoes.

That’s mean man! I love Mk and BB too. Let’s stop the hate and spread the love. I think BB players would love Mk if they actually gave it a try. But yeah BB:CSEX will be at Evo next year ya’ll relax. But leave Mk alone. It’s better to play the game, instead watching.

@Tonel -The thing is, it doesn’t matter what they were. They were judging their decisions off of recent majors. Is it totally fair? No, especially with a new re-hash of the game coming out in February. Is it justified? IMO it really is. If people aren’t showing up to play the game it doesn’t matter if it’s the best game in the world. EVO has to take all things into consideration, which leads me back to what wizard posted a while ago…

Last EVO BB didnt even get 200 entrants. Combine that with the fact that recent numbers have been low and it’s really a no brainer that it’s excluded. What BB players/fans need to take from this is to change the perception of the community from being NAH to being people that go out and support their games at tournaments on a regular basis. The truth hurts, but the only reason the game isn’t at evo is the players, not the game.