if they do let BB come back im good.
till then we just gotta keep playing…least the ones that do play.
…Yeah? It’s pretty much true.
I’m not happy Skullgirls didn’t get into EVO, but I understand why they made that decision: There is no proof of a scene for that game until it gets released (And trust me, we’re gonna show them proof!). BB just didn’t look like it had the excitement ready for it after the hype had died down so much, and they didn’t know if the update was going to reinvigorate interest.
My biggest problem is that the FGC in general has basically given the anime side of FG’s the shaft. It’s hard to build up your game when most of the rest of the community doesn’t want to give much of a helping hand.
Anyways how many majors in 2011 streamed BB? PNW/EVO/SCR (I think Valle has done a great job supporting every FG btw), can’t think of any others. A lot of these events even had players from the community willing to bring equipment and stream themselves but weren’t allowed to because of bandwidth. Then the finals were never shown when basically every other game was. Even when a lot of these events got bonus pots from Arc/Aksys.
It also irks me that people won’t support a game that the company who makes it is trying to support the players. Aksys gave pot bonuses to a lot of tournaments. They demo’d CSEX at many tournaments. Hell they’re even setting up a world tournament BBR for all the players. Yet the FGC as a whole doesn’t want to support them.
I won’t go into it much more because the gaming community in general now is pretty garbage and its not worth the time to write up a well thought out post. The gaming scene now has way too much of a mob mentality and if the mob doesn’t like something everyone just bashes it. If a game isn’t popular everyone jumps on board to bash it and never bothers to learn anything about it. The whole competitive gaming scene in general over the years has become god awful.
Lastly I will just add that I think EVO needs to learn to be a bit more sensitive and realize the impact they have on the FGC. It may be a good idea to run semi-official side tournaments or help people from the different communities that weren’t included in the main games set them up. I don’t really like how Mr.Wizard basically just said well were only ONE tournament that happens during the year. Yea well you’re the biggest, and as the largest tournament you have a huge impact on whats going to be played both casually and at local/major tournaments.
I also feel like these threads definitely aren’t helping anybody. People also need to stop pointing out other games and hating on them. Like I stated before I think thats the biggest problem with the FGC and the competitive gaming scene now in general. If you don’t like a game don’t watch it, if you don’t think a game deserves to be in EVO over your game then talk about why your game should be in not why the other one shouldn’t etc. The constant bashing is annoying and immature, I can’t even watch a tournament anymore with chat open.
Right you are, 2010 was the Melty year.
At the end of day.
MK9 got more community support than BB. Both from NRS and by the Community.
It’s not MK’s fault that the community BB doesn’t support it’s games.
I was pretty sure BB had more numbers than MB at evo last year. Is there a list any where that says otherwise?
BB shouldn’t really be in EVO this year, but I think people are more disappointed in the reasons that SF x Tekken IS in this year.
games that aren’t out yet have secured a spot. how does that make sense?
I agree with this, because now it’s Basically EVO x Capcom ft. Misc Tournies. KOF honestly deserved their spot from what Atlus has been going with kof13. mad respect to them and they deserve it. But 3 Capcom games for one Major is crazy, EVO or not.
I do believe that BB gets shafted a lot by the FGC community, I see it all the time. Either it’s a shitty version of guilty gear, a stupid anime game played by weeaboos, are it doesn’t play like most fighters (ie. air-dashing) but they’ll go play umvc3 (which has similar mechanics (like air-dashing). But I must say that the BB community doesn’t help itself by bashing other games, bashing on other non-ArcSys games only aids the already prevalent schism within the FGC. Bashing each others games won’t help more people from either side to try out your game. Learning to accept other games for the way they are and perhaps the exclusion of Bb from major mainstream events wouldn’t be so common.
HMA, you make sense however you must keep in fact that the amount of BB players will never be equivalent to the amount of umvc3 players since it’s “more fun” than BB. As far as it being “dead” that’s an exaggeration.
Blazblue has little to no support from the rest of the FGC. Why? I don’t know. It’s decent, without a dumb comeback mechanic, but shrug. I don’t know.
People aren’t taking into account some things. During SCR, which was a historic low, it was relatively close to the release of the next game in the series in Japan. Many BB players have imported it and are playing it as much as they can. With a new version, they should have held off making a final decision until they saw CSE numbers, not numbers for an outdated version. New characters, new balance changes. It is a different game.
At Evo, it was BB’s first time, and it was played, and they were really hype. The numbers weren’t phenomenal, but its inclusion accumulated interest in the game. Yet, the way it was done royally screwed how good it would do. Pools had to compete with MvC3 and Super pools for stream time. They were on a separate stream. Could it have killed EVO to put up a few choice matches of ALL games on stream? Apparently. Then it had a 9am Grand Finals time slot. The streams ran pretty late the previous night, so many people would obviously sleep in. BB got the shaft any which way it turned. If it can’t expose the game to players, then it’s not going to do as good as games that EVO obviously puts on a pedestal. It’s actually kind of funny how they beat BB like a red headed stepchild then look at the community and go “You did this to yourselves”. Of course a game isn’t going to do as well as other games when tournament organizers treat it like an annoyance.
As for it’s drop from EVO for Sf x T, that’s just hypocritical. Wizard claimed that it’s not their responsibility to grow the BB scene, but a game that is being hailed as the worst thing ever by a lot of people and yet gets an EVO 2012 spot, is nothing short of supporting that particular community while ignoring another. If the majority of youtube, srk, eventhubs, and other comments, including notable players, think a game is a joke, is it really wise to gamble on that game having a strong tournament scene? I $uppose $o if you have a little incentive from a company.
Don’t get me wrong, the BB community needs to step up as well. Go to EVO and have a huge side tournament. Hype it up, have tons of casuals all over Ceasar’s Palace. Don’t feel discouraged because EVO isn’t officially supporting you. Your company does. I don’t see Capcom sponsoring a tournament to take a team of American’s over to fight a tournament in Japan.
And for poops and giggles, let’s stream the finals to the BB side tourny during the SF x T finals. It’ll give the streamers something to watch.
Anddddddd with this how can anyone be surprised BB is not at evo
man so much truth right here
All I’m saying about this is that the writing was on the walls for a while. With attendance at a low point, it’s really up to BB fanatics to show up en force at Evo and throw one of the biggest side-tournaments in Evo history. The BB community needs to show that they are still there.
bitch more. that’ll show em.
This thread is a joke right?
This comment was taken from a wonderful insightful friend whom is tied deeply to the community no matter if they like it or not.
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There is no other argument to be made.
I definitely sympathize with BB players because it’s disappointing for them no matter which way you turn it.
I also understand how it may be especially tough to stomach…
1} given their community’s “generosity” in 2010 or whichever (voluntarily give up their Evo slot fbecause they were waiting for the console release of the new already-out-in-arcades version),
2} and how the game only really got one real year (2011) in the Evo lineup
3} and because there WILL be a brand new version of their game (BBCSE) out for 2012.
Being dropped is something that has happened to many other games in the history of the Evo series. That doesn’t make it any better for BB, and it doesn’t make it any worse, but it is what it is. As far as dropped games go, BB is not the first, and it probably won’t be the last, and nobody knows what the future holds anyway.
There is precedent for a game being dropped and getting back in (3S) solely because of big, vocal, clamouring numbers. The Tekken series has played an interesting dance where they’re in every year except the years where there’s a new Soulcalibur game; conveniently for them, this has always happened when they are transitioning between versions anyway. If I recall correctly, Virtua Fighter has made it in every year that a new game is released, and only on those years.
If I had to single out any one game that has been officially announced for Evo 2012’s lineup, I am curious to know what kind of numbers MK9 has been pulling in since Evo 2011 as compared to BB. Has MK9 been seeing a lot of tournament support in the past five months? I imagine that BB was probably suffering from the normal and expected dip in participation/attendance that usually comes right before a new version (BBCSE) is released, and I wonder if that factor (knowingly or unknowingly) influenced Evo’s decision. KOFXIII is arguably too new to judge with these same metrics, and SFXT isn’t even out yet, and we all know that SF4 and MVC3 have earned their stripes and have new versions.
On an entirely personal note, if the Evo 2012 roster was going to give any game some special privileges or special treatment, I thought it would be really nice if they picked Skullgirls. It’s still slated to come out in “early 2012,” right? Skullgirls is a meaningful game to the American competitive fighting game scene in that (as far as I know) it is the very first notable major commercial fighting game release within the lifetime of the Evo series that has been created from its inception by a long-time, well-known American tournament player. (Weaponlord is the only other one I can think of, and that came out in 1995.)
Blah blabhlba lhab, lots of typing, I have an opinion, everyone has an opinion, etc.
Hopefully the BB community is able to put together an awesome side tourney for themselves.
Maybe if people bitched less about how BB isn’t Guilty Gear and supported the game more, said game wouldn’t be in this situation.
I think that you people should not be so negative, BB comunity demostrated a real nice competition in the past tournaments and a lot of spectators enjoyed the events, you should be satisfied with your achievments, unfortunately the game is not in the official lineup this year (lack of interest of the participants), but it is obvious that games with accesible learning curves attract more competitors regardless of quality as a competitive game and those games support tournaments in a huge way.
Hopefully BB community will won’t let this decision stop them from getting more support for the game.
So, I’m listening to a few favorite WWE themes, and I realized that this kinda has some relevance.
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[details=Spoiler]Out of time, So say goodbye. What is yours, now is mine (Evo spot.)
I can imagine KOF singing this to Blazblue. :P[/details]
alright I’m gonna let this thread rock for a bit longer so long as people actually post constructively. However, posting random videos to be cheeky isn’t doing anyone or anything any good.