He must have some kind of gimmick that could either go terrifically Wright (hurr hurr) or horribly wrong. Seth said he was hard to balance. So I’m looking forward to seeing what he’ll do, even if I won’t use him.
Meanwhile, I wish certain other members of the cast got the same attention.
So, Stream just ended for today. Of course, barely anyone picked our girl, but it’s better than gamescom, right?
Mostly just assist use. I want to say Anki Hou looked a little faster, and everything else looked normal speed, but we know what happened last time we thought that. Maybe there’ll be more tomorrow.
Did hear a rumor on the stream chat (which immediately drops its validity a notch, though the guy sounded sincere), though, when I brought up Lei Lei. He said Neo_G said Hsien-Ko was more suited to be an assist character. Anyone else heard this?
Oh, and new winquote. Goes something like this:
“What else do I have up my sleeves? Can’t tell you. Every girl needs to have her secrets!”
Oh, and Shulk got an airdash for mobility, I hear. Meanwhile…
I didn’t watch the stream, so no. I hope it is a lie because Hsien-Ko still isn’t fixed, even if she’s left as an assist character.
Guess that’s it for Hsien Ko. But look on the bright side, at least she has SOMETHING, unlike Haggar and Tron who are currently wastes of binary code.
So I guess that’s fi…
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l29ovvfoZv1qzx3m2o1_400.gif
I think this is what it would take to make her a solid character that can blur the lines between B and A class like Ryu, Morrigan or Spencer. I find these changes to be almost necessary for her game to truly open up. Anyone who has used the character for a while can see the logic in this list.
Reasonable changes:
-Cancel pendulum swings(should be there for new movement options and in order to make a Senpu Bu approach towards Magneto types possible)
-Better ground/air dash(I don’t even need to explain why this is necessary)
-Decreased hitsun(her hitstun is absolutely terrible in Vanilla. It needs an overhaul.)** Check**
-Reduced start up on Chireitou or a level 3(Chireitou needed a buff in order to make up for the lack of a high damage level 3, but it would still be a nice addition)** check**
-Hitbox on bombs(No character should have to rely on an unpredictable projectile game in Mahvel. It is not fair for her bombs to have no hitbox)
-Input change on gongs(I would love multi hit capabilities, but I doubt this will happen)
-Better item throw mechanics(get rid most normal items except maybe two, keep bombs, dizzies, snowmen and oil drum. This should improve the likelyhood of special item appearances which will keep people on their toes)
The stuff above combined with the stuff below could make her a true MAHVEL character that would see multiple spots in the top 32 easy.
MAHVEL changes:
-cr.H can OTG for a single relaunch(You will not survive!)
-You can combo into sempu Bu in the air and on the ground(Damage scaling will hurt the combo, but it is just for swag factor)
-She would have a crouching hitbox as small as Ammy(She is 5’1" and she stands with her knees bent so she should easily fit the profile!)
-Increase the range on her command grab and decrease start up by 2 frames on each one except heavy.(Her command grab range is terrible considering how huge her sleeves are at the moment. It would a nice buff if for her)
-Fix her grab in the air so that you can combo afterwards.(If Taskmaster can hyper off a grab and Magneto can grab you and combo you after tossing you half a stage away every character besides Phoenix should have a similar option.)
This would move her into S tier with buffs from the MAHVEL category.
Broken changes:
-Any buffs to gold armor with no nerfs applied to it.(Her gold armor is pretty fantastic. Buffing it in any way could be tier changing depending on how big of a change it is.)
She would need almost everything in the reasonable list except maybe the input change on gongs to be viable at all in this game outside of low level play. I put a check next to the stuff that has likely improved thanks to the footage that has shown a faster Chireitou startup and new jump cancel combos that would imply increased Hitstun. The stuff on the MAHVEL list is what she would need to move into solid A tier with characters like Ammy, She Hulk and Taskmaster.
The important thing to take note of is that the reasonable lists has no new moves whatsoever besides the level 3. I think it says a lot about how easy it would be to buff her well. Some MAHVEL changes like cr.H OTG is also merely a change in the property of an existing move which is also not that hard to grasp and apply.
Haven’t heard of this anywhere, but the way things are it might as well be truth.
:sleep:
Agreed on the list of reasonable changes. That’s all I really want, though I don’t mind doing rdp for gongs. I don’t agree with cr.H being otg, that would make combos/damage too herp derp and I’m rather fine with the low damage output. Comboing into senpu bu would hurt the damage scaling, but it’ll lead you and your opponent closer to the corner for more easier dhc-bility for certain characters(i.e. chris grenade launcher) or more consistent gong>tenraiha loops, and of course, looking pretty swag. This would also mean senpu bu would have faster start-up, which I’m all up for.
Hawk, we need to figure out a way to send this to Capcom. How do other characters, in this game and others, get the changes they get? Pro player input? Petitions? Unfortunately, there are still people who think she’s fine and that she just hasn’t been explored yet like Viper (found a lot of those on Unity), or you get the people who say “But if she got buffs, she would be broken!” Yeah, how? Don’t tell me it’s because of the assist. Or there’s the “stupid character, sucks, shouldn’t be in the game, don’t buff someone no one will use” people. Sigh. You just can’t win if you don’t have a trenchcoat.
Stream is up now. I’m away and can’t watch, but maybe someone wants to endure the idiocy that is the stream chat and wade through waves of Weskers and Sentinels and Striders to see if Hsien-Ko survives in a match long enough to showcase some changes.
I can only hope that someone attempts to use her. 
Till then I think the only way to get her any kind of spotlight is to make as much noise as possible. If you know Ono, Niitsuma’s or even Neo_G’s twitter accounts, blow them up until you get a response imo.
Here’s a video from PAX of someone using her: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYH_8Z7ancY
Aside the fact that her team won, I got disappointed how little she did in the match other than abusing on her gong. But it’s good to know that people are seeing another function for that assist other than a projectile reflector.
The motion for gongs always seemed kind of unnecessary when other characters like Magneto and Sentinel have such easy access to powerful normal beams. Something like a single QCB motion would be a big improvement and it would make the move more viable for pad players compared to double QCB motions(It does not help that the gong gets beaten by a lot of beam and projectile spam rather easily…). The little blurb about cr.H OTG was also just an afterthought for me. I’m not too happy about her damage, but I got over it rather quickly and I can live with it these days. The herp derp comment doesn’t apply as much in my mind because her Combos would still be far weaker than other characters that can OTG like Wesker. The addition of cr.H OTG would boost her best combos with Tenrai-Ha up to about 500K without gongs(which are kind of impractical outside of stick usage). Still, I can completely live without it.
The bit about being able to incorporate Senpu Bu into combos is something that was pretty big to me because it meant a huge increase in it’s speed. It is a shame because most of the MAHVEL changes won’t happen. Getting all the reasonable changes would be pretty encouraging though…
Thanks for the likes too. I’ve seen your matches on streams/youtube and you are really good haha.
I’m happy that you liked my post, but I’ve kind of given up hope. I was really freaking out about her at first and the UMvC3 announcement made it even worse. These days I just want to mellow out and see what happens. Almost no one really cares about her and people come up with the silliest excuses to justify her bad point game despite the great assists that top tier characters have. I’m just tired of dealing with the ignorance and I decided it would be nice if I posted a mostly well thought out buff list in one of the biggest fighting game forums in the world.
She got two tweaks already so who knows if more are on the way?
shrugs shoulders
The streams give me headaches and it seems rather useless to wait around for someone to use her there. It would take hours to see someone finally pick her and the results will almost assuredly be bad.
I spent hours and hours watching the Comic con streams for the same clues and all I got was Eugene’s good Darkstalkers tournament play…
The reason why Hsien-Ko doesn’t have a QCB motion move is because she has a half-circle command throw. You’ll find that anyone who has a half-circle motion doesn’t have a QCB. I believe the reasoning behind this decision was to prevent input overlapping.
I wish I could go to these events. I use Hsien-Ko on point all the time and often win entire matches (through ridiculous effort) with just her, so any new tools and changes would be immediately recognized. Also I’d punch whoever was in charge of her development square in the face and shake them voraciously until they agree to our demands.
Just posted “What changes can we expect to see made to Hsien-Ko, and how will they help her succeed on point?” on Niitsuma’s Twitter, even though it’s all in Japanese. Why? It’s worth a shot, I guess. What else can we do, other than experiment with her right now, of course?
I never knew that little detail about the QCB motion and it explains a lot. Other people I’ve talked with have argued that the gong could be central to her zoning game and a drastic input change was needed in order for it to be used appropriately. They made a good argument for an input change to the b.l/m/h motion which is similar to Wesker’s command normal input for the gun. It has always seemed a little drastic, but I can understand why someone might want to apply it as a command normal, especially now that Zoning is turning out to be so important for UMvC3.
The QCB motion was my favorite because I felt that it was an appropriate amount of work for the gong, but the command throw kills it. The only only option left is the back motion and I REALLY want an input change on the motion for the gong…
Also, you should totally be our hired muscle if we want to get anything changed around here. 
It is worth a try even though they’ll probably ignore it.
I really need to start going to more streamed events. I play Team Darkstalkers exclusively and always start with Hsien-Ko on point. I’d love to show the world more of what she is capable of and the laundry list of areas she needs improvement. Unfortunately aside from LLND there are no ‘premiere’ players that attempt to use her. If she had more exposure, it would be more evident of where she needs improvement and how she stands up against the rest of the cast.
It doesn’t help that because she’s a niche character, people don’t pick her. And because people don’t pick her, then she doesn’t get exposure. And because she doesn’t get exposure, Capcom can’t see to give her buffs. So for her to get buffs, people need to pick her. 'Tis a vicious cycle.
On Neogaf, someone posted an alleged TGS/NYCC “leak” from someone who supposedly works for Capcom. The part relevant to us:
“- New build. The top tourney players we have working with us are just digging deep for hours a day.”
I hope they’re digging deep with Hsien-Ko. Does it mean we get even more new items to throw?
I’ll try to find that thread and ask about our girl, then report back if I get an answer. Only problem is that it’s on /v/.
/v/?
Auto ignore.
Yeah, I’m not going to bother. It’s Pokémon leaks at this point.
Heh, if you want Niitsuma to understand you something like, “Lei-Lei, nani a tenda yo?!” which I think translates to “What did you do?!” or “dame da”, which would mean “no good” methinks 
Welp.
http://geek.pikimal.com/2011/09/01/not-canon-comic-ultimate-mvc3-edition/
“Hsein Ko is another character that is difficult to balance due to the move set she has to work with.”
Last note on the interview.
I thought I’d be mad, but I just… just…
