HDR fixed most of ST problems. I dont think you need to change anything to make it fresh. The game is great already, i think you just need new bloods to freshen up the game. Im hoping PS4/Xbox One re-release it, with the console’s stream/record function would be enough to revive the game. Maybe add a real tournament mode & your set!
To add the argument of why HDR died. Its obvious the ST crowd poison the well. You dont need Japan or other countries to make it relevant. It doesn’t even have to be a good game, as long as the community embraces it; its good to go.
I personally dont mind the dreamcast version.I know I carry my VMU with me if Theres ever a chance of playing ST on dreamcast so I can just load up the dip switches.
But having an arcade board there gives the extra bonus of “wtf is THAT” which certainly doesn’t hurt when trying to get attention/new blood into the scene.
For that matter, I dont even mind HDR with classic sprites (its not because I’m picky about the art style, but the sprites dont line up exactly with the original, chuns cr.Mk for example, I find myself whiffing max distance pokes because her foot extends ever so slightly more than the original sprite. Switch to classic sprites, and the problems gone)… Just wish there wasn’t the input lag to screw up timings. That’s the major issue with HDR IMO. But people who really support ST will play it anyway if its the best solution available (no board & no dreamcast)
And about the gameplay changes on HDR (non classic)… I dont like/agree with many changes, but it doesn’t really kill the game for me. I still enjoy it.
That’s a damn spendy setup though ($300+ for CPS2 ST plus whatever the udcps2 setups are going for). Dreamcast + Toodle’s Capcom Fighting Collection disk is like $35 max. Only problem would be getting DC compatible sticks (good time to upgrade to cthuhlu or PS360+ for multi console support).
I dont think the problem is the setups. I mean i bring my arcade cabs to the tournaments & yeah people play on them but when tournament time happens they dont enter because the competition is just too strong. They are intimidated & dont have ways of practicing(new players).
A new SF2 is the only way to expand & bring new blood. They would have the game/setup to practice at their home. HDR brought that new blood but too much bickering killed it. Hopefully there is a new one coming out, im tired of this one time a year tournament bullshit to play SF2.
Just stop. You keep complaining about bickering but all you try to do is stir stuff up. This isn’t 2011 anymore.
The biggest obstacle for the scene is always accessibility. UD-CPS2s are awesome but superguns are geared towards TOs and the real hardcore players. They do nothing for the casual player. And even then, it’s just for playing offline and a lot of those players don’t like playing on GGPO or Supercade. It’s just an obstacle that this scene will always have.
I agree regarding accessibility, and that’s exactly the reason why I would hope ST community adopt HDR as the standard version - even with the classic ST.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to start a ST vs HDR war - I love both games, actually I don’t even consider them 2 different games, just different versions. I would play and watch whichever is available/played, but I believe HDR has a much better chance of reaching new players.
If you want to play ST, you need either:
arcades, something extinct where I live (and I believe the same is for most places except Japan)
Supergun: to be honest, I don’t even know what that is
GGPO: the best way, but it only works on PC, and you need to install a program, things that make it more difficult to get into.
On the other hand, if a friend of mine likes the game and wants to play it, I send him to xbl or psn, where he can easily buy it.
Besides accessibility, graphics are also important for newcomers, and I think HDR is also easier to accommodate in a tournament. I think hdr would have a better chance to comeback on the main Evo stage.
The poor mans route is the dream cast. 100 bucks for the system, maybe less. and another 60 bucks for the convertor to convert your xbox or PS3 stick to dream cast. There is 1 frame lag. I’m speaking from a players point of view for practice. This is the most logical. When my wallet was ready for the UD setup, the UD setup wasn’t ready for me. Now that I have other major financial responsibilities, I just can’t justify spending 600 or 700 dollars for a video game.
But for TO’s, the UD-CPS2 is the bare minimum besides having an actual cab. Anything else would be uncivilized.
I disagree, HDR had great turnouts for both years it was there…Evo moved on & you will never see HDR again in the big stage. ST has the better chance but it will probably be some kind of dream-match exhibition/invitation but that is about it. TO’s dont care about SF2, its only the loyalist keeping it afloat.
That’s why i keep saying if a new SF2 remix does come out, we need to embrace as a SF2 community. I was looking at an old thread, this the thread(1st page) after Snakeeyes won EVO. Its really weird reading those post on how optimistic HDR was going to be in the 3rd EVO. Will we have SF2 @ EVO 2011?
If the goal is to get casual players to join the fold and turn them into addicts, then HDR is the best thing going…but if they get serious about tournaments, they should use classic mode and know that in tournaments its going to be arcade ST, whether cabs, super gun or UDCPS2. the people have spoken and this is the way it is. HDR tourneys are non existent…arguments can go on and on about why, but the fact remains…NON EXISTENT
best thing that could happen imo is an accurate port to the new gen with online play. even then…nothing beats playing with real people in person…but thats a whole other discussion. As far as another remix/rebalance? Learn from history…didnt work the first time. Don’t make same mistake twice
This argument is an obvious fallacy. Just because something didn’t worked out the only time it was tried then that means that it should never be tried again? That doesn’t make any sense. There’s infinite examples in life where you surely wont do right the first time you try, should you give up then?
If that’s really worth the effort is a different story though…
PS: I actually prefer ST over HDR, I’m a GGPO player in the end. I don’t really play HDR and I don’t really care about it, but I do want to see a new iteration of SF2. Why? Because there’s nothing wrong with the idea of rebalance, actually its a brilliant idea, it just needs to be done right.
To answer the OP’s question, no. There’s no point since the scene would never truly agree on all/most of the changes. It would be better if there were another version of SF2 that played like ST and had 4-8 additional characters, along with new stages (bonus stage too Muffin!), and new music. That’s it.
If you want an easy way to get some growth going, hop on Classic mode on XBL and start hosting rooms. If most of the guys on GGPO hosted on XBL, more & more of the Remix players would actually join. You can’t join a room that was never there to begin with. If more of those players started joining our rooms, some would eventually take some interest in the game and even consider attending an event offline. Which is why…
tourneys for the immediate future should use XBL Classic Mode until someone can compile an easy-use emulator (ShmumpMame/GroovyMame). The biggest issue for arcade tourneys (cabs notwithstanding) are the TVs. Lugging CRTS DOES NOT WORK (yes, this is even a problem for those in SoCal). This is also why DC wont work either. It’s time to move to playing on an LCD. Classic Mode solves this problem since an Asus can get the job done. Sure, it would be awesome if every tourney had Illayma (and other lag free brands) monitors. But an Asus can still work. What a novel concept for a ST TO, actually have hardware supplied at a venue…consoles are already there, monitors are already there. Easy. Simple.
I know which one you are referring to (I have 2). The issue is it looks VERY pixelated. If a lot of guys have trouble accepting old sprites on the new backgrounds, there’s no way they will accept that level of pixelation. Additionally, with DC, you would still require a mod to use a USB stick/pad. Our scene has a poor track record when it comes to players actually modding their sticks.
ST on classic mode isn’t going to go well with the ST community…For example in Northwest Majors it was suppose to be on an arcade cab. The TO expected the person who brought the cab last year to do the same again without even asking him. So instead, they decided to go with HDR Classic mode for the Xbox 360 cuz he didn’t want to do it or couldn’t do it. Lots of people wanted their money back, as they felt it wasn’t authentic & the TO was going to cancel. I requested if we could do HDR instead but it was a no go because this was suppose to be for the ST games qualifier. ST community would rather have it canceled then to play ST on the 360.
People tend to think im just pro HDR but im just pro SF2. I ended up bringing my head2head cab. We had decent turnout, around 30 entrees…The TO didn’t bother to help setup/run the brackets. They didn’t even want to stream, so i ask my buddy Josh to stream the final 4. I think we ended up finishing around 1am. I dont really care for a thank you but he could have at least open the doors instead of holding his damn keys waiting to lock up.
They got free labor & free equipment use while charging us ($35)Admission fee + ($10) entree per game. If you want ST as a main game you have to do it all yourself…It would have been better to just have it a side tournament, that way we didn’t have to pay for the ridiculous admission fee. Probably would have gotten more entrees.
So im not really sure Classic mode in HDR is going to work. Dreamcast will be even more of pain because of converters. Seems like only the ST community would want Undamn CPS2 but who is going to pay for that? The TO’s cant even open the door what more for them to fork out $700 per setup.
you can’t just call Undamned and ask for 2-3 setups for like next month/week. He does them by hand, so it takes time;
B boards are not that easy to find anymore.
I feel some emulated solution was the most viable alternative, but bigger tournaments will not run emulators, specially if Capcom is somehow involved (e.g. they run a qualifier for a Capcom tournament). The really best tournament would be to replicate the CPS-2 software as an integrated circuit, which would be hardware emulating. But this would still be an issue for some tournament organizers.
There’s also the issue of boards eventually dying, and some believe the phoenixed boards are very buggy. I am not so sure, but I also recall that old hardware may stop working due to spoiled (leaking) electrolytic capacitors, among other issues. As a result, the amount of working ST hardware is decreasing over time.
The entire FGC revovles around EVO. And rather than just running random side tournaments that have no purpose (I don’t want to bash anyone who wants to do that but there’s a greater purpose here), we also tie in ST to EVO and have qualifiers that involve various majors around the country and sometimes international. That gets everyone involved across the country - players, TOs, etc.
In order to make the ST EVO tourneys a grand event (and they should be grand considering EVO is the Super Bowl of the FGC) we want to attract Japanese players to attend and to do that, we have to run it on ST. They won’t come if we do it on HDR so this is why we do it the way it currently is. I know it’s a ton of work lugging cabs, CRTs, etc. I help organize most of the So Cal tourneys so I feel your pain. This year’s EVO is going to be the last tourney I’m organizing so depending on who takes over on the EVO organizing, maybe things will just go back to random side tourneys on HDR/HDR Classic if that’s most convenient for everyone. It’s really up to the community to decide. They’re the ones playing the game.
I love ST, but honestly I just don’t have time to play (Shoot, I barely browse the forums!). But running my business, being married and raising my daughter, are my top priority and it’s just about all I have time for.
The little bit of free time I do get is spent at the gym, trying to keep my weight down from sitting on my fat ass all day… LOL…
On a real and random note, not that any of you in the ST forums really need to be told, but Kuroppi deserves a ton of recognition on all that he’s contributed to the community.
To be honest, I could have never sacrificed what he has for the love of this game and the FGC. He’s spent time away from his wife and son, not to mention spending his hard earned cash to support the ST EVO events over the last few years.
He’s is a f’n awesome guy for doing all he has done over the years and deserves more than we (ST FGC) could ever give him in return. I wish there was an award we could get the FGC to give the guy for all the he’s done. But, that’s not for us to decide…
Anyway, here’s big fatboy “Thumbs Up” to Kuroppi. Thanks for all the ST efforts.
