722 is spitting so much truth in this thread its ridiculous. 
BTW:
cant speak for melty, but arcana has the footsie/position game just like any other decent fighter. and youre totally right abotu how “newer” ppl tend to play these games (like with AH for example, ppl cried so loudly about balance issues within the first 3 months…) but i think im actually one of the few that play this game that a solid grounding in sf strategy
Seems like people are going on about how easy these combos are, and its great for new players. I think this couldn’t be further from the truth. These new breed of game are extremely technical. They are absolute nightmare for noob players, so much so that it puts them off.
Because the combo system is so flexible, and creates so many high damaging possibilities, the systems in these games often have loads of features which help you avoid the damage, from anything such as bursts to airblocks. Try explaining the basic game mechanics of Guilty gear to a someone who has never really played fighting games properly before. You’d probably make their head explode.
This type of fighting games are very good, don’t get me wrong, but it seems it only really caters for people who already play fighting games. Seems like you get very few new players coming through with no fighting game experience at all playing these games at a competitive level (at least in the western world). One could even say they are slowly killing the scene by making the games overly complex. However on the otherhand this ever increasing complexity is needed otherwise we will never see any kind of progression in the fighting games we play. All i can really say is that it must be a very difficult task for developers to make fighting games which caters both casual and hardcore players.
point is i’d spend all day losing not just because i didn’t understand the game’s strategy but also to a large degree because all my opponents’ combos are gonna be doing like 10 times more damage than mine
i think gg is a great game, it’s just too execution-heavy for me to get into
I go to Oh Wow Nickel Arcade. Unfortunately, the screen on their Third Strike machine decided to blow out. >_<
I think my problem with GG (or any of the games the FP mentioned) is the huge ass poke strings that are safe on block.
So a lot of the games you see, especially with Jam (or at least, that’s what my extensive knowledge of GG tells me) are just:
IF HOLE IN RUSHDOWN = 1 THEN
POKE-STRING
ELSE
BLOCK
You know, with no mind as to whether the poke-string is a going to hit or not, because hell, you’re safe afterwards anyway right?
This is a simplification, I know, but it bugs me.
fuck! i was gonna drop by today/tommorrow!
and i suck at cvs2 and dont really play marvel
also
722 wins this thread
and that is not the same case for all those combos in 3S?
if you can’t link into your super or hit confirm it which is not an easy task then you can’t use it at all so you do no damage and you lose.
…
I can’t being to understand why there’s a negative connotation with games being easier to play. Seriously, someone please explain it to me.
And I’m not going to bother defending Melty Blood. Play it or don’t.
ignoring the fact that i don’t even like 3S, that’s not really true - in a lot of situations in 3S you don’t need to be able to hit confirm your cancel into super for it to be effective. and learning to hit confirm is a hell of a lot easier than learning the timing for long combos, for me at least.
From a beginners point of view(in GG), its alot easier for me and my friends to get hooked into something like GG.
In SF2 without some serious practice all you can really do is poke, tick throws and 2-1 combo’s.
i like both games and I’m a noob in both, but from what I’ve seen in GG as well as SF2 noobs get shut down hard against high level players.
i think thats part of the point, you can play multiplayer and be good in SF2 while you need training mode for guilty gear essentially. gg you need to learn the same skills and lots of hard combos.
I think it’s all about hits.
People think that some games are easier to play thant others because it’s easier to do big combos.
Take GG or HNK, you can somehow “show off” with long or good-looking combos without really being good at these games, whether at the same time in SSFIIX you just can’t do anything that looks nice if you don’t know the game. But that doesn’t mean that GG or HNK are simple to play (by far).
There’s a new game coming out later this month called BattleFantasia (<- no space = official? heh) that seems to be somewhat old fashioned. The system, on paper at least, is similar to Third Strike’s:
I’ve started posting some info on ze blog:
http://curryallergy.blogspot.com/
It seems like this will be a good experiment to see if there’s a market for this type of game.
That game looks awesome. 3d yet it looks like it plays like a great and tight 2d style game. I hope it does well because that might get more devs trying out that style.
Any serious guilty gear player here?
Easy combos? Yeah like the one you mention punch, kick, slash, h.slash,special move. But that not even practical is most cases, cause there are alot of combo that does much damage than that and are really difficult to do. So doing that combo should not be a great acomplishment, since its kind of the basics of basic of the game. Most combos require some kind of FRC or RC plus the timing is strict.
Still, its play with the same mind games and strategies of other games. And you can learn without trainig mode, you can play and learn to move around a create opennings and all that stuff and practice the combos when theres a opportunity.
Even when this type of games are different they still have a lot in common. Just to give an example you need to know Necros combos or Urien Reflectors setups to be able to play very competitive with them, but that those not mean you should not start playing until you can execute them, even when is a more slow pace game.
i think its depressing that some gg players can do these massive 33 hit combos but they can’t link anything in cvs2- -
they are probably not very good players or use sol or something
i would say ky except you actually learn how to link stuff but its completely safe on block so whatever
And this never happens in older games? And you are way oversimplifying. There’s a lot of positioning stuff that goes into good pressure, and for most characters, long blockstrings are typically asking to get hit. There are lots of brutal frametraps in GG (ABA and Jam thrive on that) but it’s not just long poke strings or something silly like that. It’s just a series of short strings happening quickly. It’s not all safe, it’s just good risk/reward.
And uh… any decent player can hit-confirm their strings into combos, and if they really want to keep a blockstring going while being totally safe, that generally requires meter. So shrug, massive oversimplification.
It might well do, but that’s besides the point. It happens in Guilty Gear.
? It annoys me.
Really? Because it never looks that way if I watch a match video.
Come on now, that’s entirely semantics. Series of quick short strings = Long string. Even if it’s not all completely safe, it seems too safe for my liking.
You’re missing the point. I’m saying they don’t have to really bother, because there’s little reprimand for failure in that area.
That’s why it doesn’t really bother me. Because there is a prerequisite. But still, you can maybe see where I’m coming from.
edit: Battle Fantasia looks awesome.