Need some advice

I agree with Sweet Poison. Do some research. I started street fighter with Guile and Bison’ now I use Chun li. Shotos are easy mode in SF. I suggest you use Vega he is good. Thats your start its something about him that you wanted to learn. Go with Vega. Join the charge character family.

Remember Shotos (Ryu/Ken) are the anti-christ of street fighter.
you gonna feel dirty on the inside if you use them lol.

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But knee-bashing just feels so damn good.

When, I first started playing ST, I used Boxer, with T.Hawk just when I was screwing around. Eventually, I started to get some attachment to T.Hawk because I just felt so comfortable with him, despite his tier status (actually I didn’t even know his tier at that time lol).

I think my level with Dictator is a good example of how the character chooses you. I kinda just “forcefully” choose to learn him. I consider myself an above average Dictator player, but I don’t expect to get much higher than that (at least not what at I am with Hawk). If I were to get into finals at some tournament with say, Thelo, I’d still use Hawk over Dictator (and I know the Honda match-up with both characters pretty damn well).

Notice how the people who the “let the character choose them” in this thread (Me, BlueTallCans, Thelo) are very recognized (sometimes feared :D) with their mains.

Thinking back to when I was a kid, I think the first character I picked (as a beginner) was Chun Li, simply because she was fast, and wasn’t Ryu or Ken (since everyone seemed to use them). The speed was a good advantage to have as it gave you the ability to rush down, as opposed to Dhalsim who requires a lot more thought and tactics.

Well that was back in the MegaDrive days. I can’t remember exactly why, but I did eventually become a Ryu player as time moved on. It was probably something along the lines of preferring him to charge characters.

I played Super SF2 on the MegaDrive for a very short while, but I initially didn’t like the changes to Ken and Ryu (going from WW to Super), but what was worse was the updated sound effects, announcer and music.

I had played some Alpha 3 on my Playstation and I like Ken’s style and the way he controlled. I also liked that you could select the white suit (the only reason I used Ryu over Ken in World Warrior),

I really only started playing SF competitively when HD Remix came out. I just jumped straight in and started re-learning with Ken. I also picked up Zangief on the basis that I saw how good a friend of a friend was with him.

I tend to pick characters based on just that - their character. I like Ken’s confident, cheeky attitude (which is sort of what I am not) and his overall design and the fact that he is a good all round character.

Zangief is awesome because he is Russian and something about him just makes me crack up laughing. I can feel my opponent getting angry at tick SPDs through my TV and it’s a guilty pleasure. I also like Dhalsim for similar reasons, because he can be really irritating, which is kind of funny to see people get irritated.

Norieaga suggested to pick Ken as a beginner character, which although was in jest, is probably not a bad idea. It’s not quite as simple as spamming jab DP’s, as you become predicatble and piledriverable. Ken is probably easy to pick up as he is quick, has a very good reversal game and a decent up close game with knee bash mix ups, but ultimately he is weaker than Ryu in practically every matchup.

It probably comes down to Ken’s weak ass fireballs and not being as effective at controlling space, however I personally find Ken vs Gief a lot easier than Ryu vs Gief. In this case, the slow fireball helps.

The choice is yours. You can choose a character you like best and work with them or you can choose the character you feel comes most naturally to you. The reason a lot of people use Ryu and Ken is due to them having a good all round game. I would love to suggest Zangief, but some matchups are really hard, even for an experienced player. You may find you like one character a lot, but they have certain matchups that are bad. You could simply find another character once you have reached a good level with your main to fill in the gaps in your matchups.

Well if you mean feared because you tic to typhoon for victory or one just tic bites his way to victory or the last who can tic and chip his way to victory then I guess yeah you are feared. :rofl:

I’m so shaking…NOT.

haha sweet poison am I supposed to ball people to death, maybe shock people to death, are jiggly and I not supposed to use our characters best moves?(Typhoon, Bite)

Thats the thing I don’t get about people complaining about me tick biting? Am i supposed to just ball you so I can get hit with a fierce punch afterward by Sim?
Maybe you should be scared a little after seeing how you played Empirion, he is much more forgiving then I am when it comes to playing Sim just ask Fatboy

I agree with both sides, I won’t lie either, as much as I like fei it really grinds trying to play at a higher level with him.

I recommend getting comfortable with like 2 or 3 characters. Just don’t team up low tiers together :rofl:

Yeah… I can’t really speak for Antonio or Thelo, but IMO, if its starting to feel like a grind trying to get to a higher level, that character isn’t for you.

If its a grind reaching a high level with anybody, maybe the game isn’t for you.

Or maybe its my execution :wink:

What? Vega is always a presence at tournaments, that makes no sense at all.

And he is very beginner friendly in that it is very easy to beat up even average players with wall dive bullshit.

Let me reiterate. Vanilla ST he is highly dominant, in remix, he is nerfed.

Wall dive bullshit can be stopped by average players. It is not that surprising. You can usually see it coming. The bullshit might have cut it in Classic Vanilla, but is not as dominating as before.

I overall agree with the concept of “letting the character choose you”, its a concept that kind of leans towards the concept that if you like something enough, you’re drawn towards it, and will practice with that character due to eventually “liking and feeling attached” to that character, thus becoming formidable with that character due to practice.

However, just because a character chooses you doesn’t mean that is the best fit for that person, and the person may feel frustrated if they are not improving at an acceptable rate with a character. Can you make someone who has the instinct for zoning out opponents get comfy with Gief? Gief may be “choosing” him, but the player may be better at using a zoning style like Ryu.

I don’t think you understand the concept of “letting a character choose the player”. In that example, if a player is better at zoning with Ryu than he is at getting in with Zangief, then that means Ryu has “chosen” him.

One trick pony that takes advantage of what the game has given to you. You are not playing your blanka any different than any other supposed high quality Blanka’s play. Still not scared. Try again sir.

What are you talking about? The game makes certain matchups a grind. There is no way around that. Sure you can be up for it but it still doesnt change the fact you may have to work harder. Doesnt mean you shouldnt play the game. That is silly talk

“Grind” is just a term to express frustration to me. I meant that you keep doing something, whether it be working on a match-up or just a simple technique, and you feel no or see no improvement. I’ve seen countless people complain about certain match-ups their character has and they just don’t see or feel any improvement no matter how hard they try. I think Noriega is a good example of this. I spoke to him over XBL one night, and he told me after feeling like he was getting no where with Cammy, he tried Claw and practically said he’s isn’t looking back.

As for match-ups being a “grind”, I never felt that way about any match-up. I think the closest I ever came to getting frustrated was when I first played Thelo. You were actually in the room that night. I was the only one who beat him (with Hawk), and from there I actually saw hope lol. Even in a practically 8-2 match-up in Honda’s favor, I take my odds of winning to the max. Never felt it was a “grind” since.

Btw, if Antonio is a one trick pony, why can’t you get past him? Its only one thing. Shouldn’t be that big of a deal.

I love messing around with different characters, but I really detest when end up in an extremely disadvantageous matchup. I know that it can be exciting and rewarding when you win anyways, but most of the time I just find it frustrating when I end up with some bullshit matchup versus Honda (yeah, I said it).

If you agree with that, I would say to pick a character that ‘chooses you’… and that doesn’t have any STUPID matches. But I know a lot of players who a) learn enough to win some of the bad matches anyways, and b) take the good with the bad - since not all of your matches will be uphill both ways.

Are you serious? I can find numerous videos of Blanka doing the same thing to other Sim’s as stated. Blanka has numerous advantages in that fight. He can jump in pretty safe and repeat the one trick as stated.

Here is a video I had saved in my favorites of fatboy at a recent tourney against Noho.
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What do you know same one trick deal. As I said he and other smart Blanka players are taking advantage of what the game has given them. I’m not mad at that. I know the crap is coming I just cant stop it and again its due to the high priority of blankas normals that allow him to get in and repeat the loop.

I even watched videos of Gian on vanilla ST and he also struggled against Blanka so I know it’s not just me.

Unfortunately it’s one of those things when they test the game, that they can not get feedback from all match ups so it gets untouched.

Look I’ve come to the conclusion that the game is not balanced but probably does a better job than most fighting games. I also believe that certain characters might need to have a better draw in a tourney to be successful due to matchups which is why you see some people who play with multiple characters because the odds are just too great or not great enough.

Nonsense. This is so wrong. The only minor truth to that statement (if there is any truth at all) is that would only apply MAYBE vs other beginners.

Play each character till you feel comfortable with one or two THEN learn that character inside and out.

I play Blanka because I feel very comfortable with the character. I choose him even when up against “bad matchups” because I feel I’ve learned enough to give myself a shot at winning despite of them.

Heck, I even stuck with Blanka in Alpha 3 and anyone who’s played that game knows what an atrocity Blanka was. LOL

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Here is Jason Cole vs Noho at same tourney. Cole hung in there a little longer but again same tactics and once you start worrying about trying to reverse the bite you get hit with a combo which dizzies you.

Anyways as Decoy said choose your character and enjoy playing with that character. Just know you are going to have good and bad matchups. And bad matchups can really be brought out against quality opponents. You can also have good matchups and again the quality of the opponent can change how you feel about it.