I’ve searched the forums for octagonal stick info for then Madcat TE stick and didn;t manage to find any info but apologies if this has already been asked before.
Anyways, I want to either convert or replace the joystick in my TE so that its octagonal. I know that Sanwa does an octagonal gate which i can replace and also seimetsu does octagonal sticks. I also know that apparently Siemetsu has a smaller throw than sanwa which sounds good to me.
Does anyone know which octagonal seimetsu stick would fit the TE stick and if it would require any extra work to make it fit in the TE?
Is it possible to mod the Sanwa with an octagonal gate to reduce its throw?
Is there much difference in the throw between the Sanwa and Seimetsu?
There is no such thing as octagonal sticks. Only octagonal gates.
the Semitsu LS-32 fits in the TE, but it has a round gate.
Yes, but it’s ghetto as fuck (think duct tape).
Check the sanwa/semitsu thread in the stickies. Slagcoin (also in the stickies) has a big thing about it too.
But if you want my advice, just get used to the square gate JLF. JLFs–with a square gate–are the arcade standard in Asian arcades for a reason. They’re awesome.
Instead of investing time in changing out stick parts, go to practice mode and learn how to use your stick.
The TE has a universal mounting plate that fits any Seimitsu joystick. The most popular Seimitsu joystick is the LS-32-01 and that fits in the TE just fine.
You can mod the Sanwa JLF with an octagonal gate (Sanwa GT-Y Octagonal Restrictor Plate) but changing the gate will not reduce its throw. As Stararcade stated, the only way to reduce the throw is to modify the actuator, which will probably require tape.
Yes, the LS-32-01 has a shorter throw than the JLF.
You may want to check out Slagcoin or the Sanwa/Seimitsu FAQ for help on the differences between the JLF and the LS-32-01
The octogonal gate doesn’t reduce throw for everything in the joystick, it narrows the corners so that the stick feels more “circular.” While the throw is narrowed for the corners (like down-forward for example), it doesn’t change the throw for the other directions (like forward or back). The distance required to hit the resistors doesn’t change for non-corner directions and the only way to really reduce throw would be through modification.
Actually the corners are the same, there is just increased distance on the sides. So actually the octo gate increases the throw in the up/down/left/right directions.
Also, the LS-32 comes with a multi-use gate so you can make it octo if you want. The replacement is circular.
However, like Starcade RIP said, just learn to use the square gate. It’s better in the long run. Octo gates aren’t made for fighting games.
The corners are narrowed, but I don’t think the distance for the up/down/left/right directions are shortened or lengthened. The percentages are the total area of the engage zone and while the four directions have a higher percentage, that doesn’t mean that the distances have been increased. If they have, well, that means we are both right. :lovin:
But, as PlayingKarrde and Starcade both mentioned, try using the square gate for a month. It is a little awkward at first, but it gets easier to use over time and is usually the standard at arcades.
No, PlayingKarrde is right, the JLF octo gate increases the throw for the 4 main sides. The throw area distribution in the octo gate diagram on Slagcoin is not accurate for every joystick and it is even stated in the paragraph following the diagrams:
It is my understanding that circle “gates” work on American sticks because they use square actuators, and octo gates work on the LS-56 because it actually decreases the throw for the 4 main sides and the stick uses levered microswitches.
The Sanwa JLF has a round actuator hitting non-levered microswitches, so the stock square gate is ideal for the adequate room required to hit diagonal inputs while restricting the 4 main sides.
I understand that the square gate is the standard but this board is not being standard. Everyone has their preferences like 6 buttons or 8 buttons, straight layout or curved…why is chosing an octagon gate over a square gate any different? It’s not. I fail to understand this “get use to it” attitude when the entire purpose of owning your own stick is to modify it to your own needs.
Ok, I stand corrected. Thanks for the information guys!
Zincognito, I only said to try it for 1 month. If it still feels uncomfortable, then by all means, change it out. I only say try it out as everything that is different will feel awkward at first.
Your response was very helpful and informative. I’m talking about the other responses I have read just in the last month that say “it’s standard for a reason”. If a guy tells me he wants a triangle gate, why try to talk him out of it? Like Sanwa vs Seimitsu, it’s ALL about preference.
If you insist on an Octo gate, Seimitsu’s LS-56 is your best bet as that’s the best possible Octo set-up currently available. I wouldn’t recommend using Octo with a JLF as that tends to be sloppy.
Yes and no. There are such things as bad opinions, you know.
Switching to an octo gate without trying to adjust to square makes no sense. I did that when I started on Japanese sticks. I wish I didn’t. Square is really the way to go, especially for SF4.
Increasing the throw on your stick on purpose just makes no sense.
thanks for the replies guys, its all been very helpful. I have been using the square gate and tbh its ok but i can’t do double fireball movements fast enough…it always comes out dragon punch. I can however do double fireball movements fine on the PS3 pad so i’ll give the octo gate a shot, will prob jsut get a ls-56 or ls-33 , i guess ls-33 maybe best since its a round gate similar to the ps3 analogue sticks.
Another noob question, how do i connect the seimetsu stick to the TE? Can i take the mini board out of the JLF in the TE and place it in the seimetsu?
Double QCF motions can be difficult because of the shortcut inputs for shoryuken in SF4. You may have noticed that going :df: twice and :p:, or specifically :df::r::df:+:p:, will cause an SRK to come out, which can mess up your 2QCF ultra inputs.
One tip I can give you is to try and not to ride the gate and instead use the feel and sound of the switches being activated to confirm your inputs. With enough practice you will be able to do double QCF motions consistently with a square gate, and I highly recommend sticking with the JLF square gate for SF4 instead of spending money trying out other gates and sticks.
Seimitsu joysticks that end in 01, like LS-56-01, already have PCB that can connect to the TE’s wiring harness, so there’s no need to replace anything. They also require a “S” mounting plate for them to fit in the TE’s mounting bracket.
cool, thanks for the tip and info mate, much appreciated. I don’t understand why capcom have added shortcut inputs, thats like saying A to perform a move but then again doinging B (which is undocumented) will do it too?! I would have preferred tighter inputs tbh. I’ll give the square gate a while longer but after 4 weeks of using it, i still get fustrated.
fokkusuhaundo, :df::df:+:p: is not the correct shortcut for Shoryuken.
It does not work if you explicitly hit Down-forward twice.
There needs a Down input somewhere for it to work.
So why you think it works because you accidentally hit Down.
It is true that Seimitsu Joystick with -01 prefix have PCB.
And that they can connect to TE no problem.
But not all Seimitsu Joysticks will mount with the Seimitsu SS Mounting Plate.
For Seimitsu LS-32, replace default RE Mounting Plate with SS Mounting Plate.
For Seimitsu LS-32-01, use default SS Mounting plate.
For Seimitsu LS-40, replace default RE Mounting Plate with SS Mounting Plate.
For Seimitsu LS-40-01, replace default RE Mounting Plate with SS Mounting Plate.
For Seimitsu LS-33, use default MS Mounting Plate.
For Seimitsu LS-55, use default MS Mounting Plate.
For Seimitsu LS-55-01, use default MS Mounting Plate.
For Seimitsu LS-56, replace default VF Mounting Plate with MS Mounting Plate.
For Seimitsu LS-56-01, replace default VF Mounting Plate with MS Mounting Plate.
But with these Joysticks mounted, not all of them will have correct (23-24mm) or same height.
Seimitsu LS-32(-01) with SS Mounting Plate will be 0.5mm higher than mounted Sanwa JLF.
This be really short if mount with RE Mounting Plate.
Seimitsu LS-40(-01) with SS Mounting Plate will be 2mm higher than mounted Sanwa JLF.
This be really short if mount with RE Mounting Plate.
Seimitsu LS-33 will be 6.5mm shorter than mounted Sanwa JLF.
This be really short if mounted.
Seimitsu LS-55(-01) will be 1.5mm higher than mounted Sanwa JLF.
Seimitsu LS-56(-01) with MS Mounting Plate will be 0.5mm shorter than mounted Sanwa JLF.
