Your absolutely correct however when I placed 17th at FR I was happy with my results but I was still unhappy with myself as a whole cause I know I could have done better. What I was happy about was that I showed myself that I have what it takes to compete and that I know I will reach that top 3 spot one day. The problem is is that people get to a place and think cause they didn’t get any further that that is all they can do and they don’t strive for more. You can be happy with what you achieved just don’t be content!! That is where we see a lot of players in NC.
Kind of sad I couldn’t make it to Civil War definitely feel like I could have been a serious contender in SG and KoF 
Anyone down for games today or tomorrow? I have a shitload of free time since I have finished all of my homework and I don’t have a final until the 8th lol.
I am down for having them at my place I just wanted to know if anyone was planning on hosting anytime soon.
I’m probably going to be in SGs hiding until Wednesday. I want to ensure you’re fully unprepared for the bullshit I have ready. =D
I wouldn’t mind playing some KoF or Marvel tomorrow though .
Strangely enough the only win I’ve ever really been happy with in recent was my win against Noel Brown, but then I still didn’t get first. Placing at FR for KoF didn’t mean much because honestly, I didn’t fight anyone good up until that point. I felt better about beating Javier from losers at WNB last week than I did at FR. It’s more about what I achieved and visible progress than just… a placing number.
Also, sometimes you get REALLY lucky with your brackets. I remember I got to winners finals in a 32man bracket and I only played 3 matches to get there. And then I remember one really old Lucky’s tourney where I played Jago round 1 then lost, and then had to play Roski in losers lol. 0-2 just like that.
haha yeah, brackets aren’t always the best measure of how good you are. My final round bracket for Marvel was Kusoru and f.Champp… meanwhile low tier fear got… hell I don’t think he had ANYONE in his bracket. It was just like him and 31 byes.
Majors’ brackets, especially with pools, are almost never reliable, because from personal experience, you’re dealing with hundreds of players and you may be lucky if you recognize even a 1/3 of them, so you pretty much have to straight out guess who the winners are going to be and try to spread them out as much as possible. There’s no way to tell. Somebody who could easily make Top 8 may end up in a pool with two killers just because he’s not a known name yet.
But, upsets happen.
I remember making the pools for KOF at FR, Pool 1 was pretty sparse because Justin Wong was in it and I didn’t want to put many other top players in there because I knew people would complain about being matched up with Justin.
Well, turns out Wong got knocked into Losers fairly early and then got upset by Lil Majin in Losers in a very close match so basically Pool 1 Winners was a fairly free ride.
And then whatever assistant I had running Roski’s pool fucked up and skipped over his match or something so I had to take over, and then move him into Pool 7 which was already stacked, leading Dark Geese to proclaim that he was in a “Pool of Death”, which was definitely a fair complaint.
In summation, all you guys going to EVO REALLY want to get your EVO point from Majors right now because you don’t want to have to be in pools.
You KOF 13 players especially completely missed the boat at Civil War. There could have been at least 8 NC players in top 12 there.
Also if you’re playing SC5 at EVO then you REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY missed out because apparently they had 17 entrants so all you had to do was basically not go 0-2 and you could have gotten an EVO point.
Also if you aren’t ChrisG you really missed out because that fucker took home all the god damn swords.
Seriously, was this really necessary?
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I need to play some KOF.
Whats up everyone? I’m from Wilson, NC and I have been a follower of fighting games for as long as I can remember. I don’t really know of many people in my town that play fighting games seriously. I can’t get better without out playing against better people. Anyone in Wilson that’s down…message me. My PSN is wideawakeanimal
I had Andy OCR and Unknown. Justin wong was in the bracket as well, but for some reason he got switched out last second.
oh really? well its me, DeMo…if you really wanna play, im around and ready.
Jimmy: you mean to tell me the Maury producers havent gotten in touch with you yet? yeah im taking you on Maury you deadbeat. but seriously
YES, DeMo is expecting a little girl in the next few weeks. the only people i think that already knew were those who have come over for WWE and i think Will (Ceron) because we were talking at Final Round about how hes adjusting to the lifestyle of being a new father. according to the doctor we are at the stage where she can come any day now, hence why i wasnt able to go to ANYTHING last week (WNB or Civil War), and im keeping it pretty close to home until its all settled. the furthest i intend to drive is about an hour or so. this new chapter in life was also a BIG contributor as to why i was entertaining quitting games recently, that and the state of the scene was just disgusting to me. but ive been as active as i can be given it all, and i intend to continue playing. im focused squarely on KoF until TTT2 drops later this year. so ummmmm yeah thats that lol.
now about the tournament placing. i dont think there is a problem with being happy with where you place as long as you dont get content with settling for less. for some players its about the journey there more than the actual destination. take for instance K-Brad yesterday, yeah he “only took 4th” but look who he had to go through just to get that, he took out Wolfkrone, and that is a victory in and of itself.
I’m likely to be flamed/trolled to hell for this comment, but it doesn’t matter. The single biggest problem is the fact that no one cares about everyone past top 8. The top players are a small minority of the overall competitive community. Yes, yes, top 3, top 8, whatever is critical. On the other hand, you only foster a small minority of top players if you ignore everyone else. I don’t know if anyone even thought about the amount of top players in any one game within the fighting game scene, but it’s pretty small in comparison to others because of that mindset.
Of course, I only say that because putting a focus on top 20 or top 50 helps retain those 20 to 50 players per state. It helps keep them competitive and feeling pro other than a zero. You know what happens when you’re a zero for so long? You quit or become better. Guess what is more likely to happen?
I’m just stating a small opinion though. I haven’t seen many talk about the opposite end of the stick lately in terms of growing and fostering more pros in the competitive scene.
thats KINDA what i was saying to an extent. i wouldnt take it as far as top 20 and 50 but if a tally was kept of the top 10 or so players in a state in a given game it would promote competition for the guys on the lower half of that to play better because they would feel like they were scraping for spots or playing for something other than just being put off as just another pot monster.
and to tell players that went to a major that if they didnt place top 3 that they dont have anything to be proud of, especially in their own growth…it seriously diminishes their value and im sorry if this steps on toes, but it comes off rather condescending.
Top 10 would be an improvement per state too. Right now, even state-to-state competitors are hardly ever recognized worldwide or even nationally unless it’s a top 8 placement in key tournament. After that, it’s pretty much forgotten unless it’s repeated. It doesn’t mean the players are garbage, it just means there is very little support unless you hit everything (going to multiple tournaments, placing high and etc).
In order to get to another level, you have to evolve. I remember gootecks and other pros advocating being like the NBA or something bigger. You can’t get to that level only highlighting a few key star players to form a league. A league is made up of all pros from multiple skill levels that come together and bring fierce competition. If you try to put together a league of Michael Jordan’s, then you’re going to have a hard time finding 500 players who all play like Michael Jordan.
Again, that’s just my opinion and one of the cons of the competitive community in my humble opinion. I only want to read more about the local NC players who are top 8, top 10, top whatever more on SRK and other competitive sites than always reading about the same pro’s day-in and day-out.
I wholeheartedly agree with this point. The thing is, you are in total control of your own answer. If you need encouragement from others to get better, then the chance of it happening is a legit zero in the long run.
Here’s the deal. If you don’t win, then nobody cares. Why should they? Why should you be recognized for mediocrity? Step your fucking game up and make a name for yourself, or go cry in the corner about how nobody thinks you’re good. You know who thought I was good when I started playing GG/3S/A3? Nobody, myself included. You know who thinks I’m good now? More importantly, you know why they think I’m good now?
You are in charge here. If you’re dependent on anybody else for ANYTHING in this scene, leave now. You won’t last. I promise.
We are depend on each other to survive in the competitive scene. It’s the root of all tournaments – the entry fee, the spectators, the competition… The reason there is pro’s is because everyone in the FGC depends on each other to keep it hype and moving forward…
What defines as winning is what I’m referring too in the above. What is considered winning is very limited and not very rewarding to the masses. Unfortunately, evolving to a more accepting terms of winning would mean the old arcade mindset of kill or be killed would likely fade away. That’s a long favorite value of the FGC and what makes it unique compared to other gaming communities out there. Thus, it’s just my personal opinion that having such a harsh, unforgiven, but very rewarding for a certain limited elite is what would also hinder the growth of more pro’s churning out every month or every year. If that’s not a concern, then there is no problems. If you want to see the scene grow and have bigger competitions, then you have to evolve into something less limiting to all types of players past a certain degree of what is considered, “good”.
So what you’re saying is, in order to have bigger competitions, we have to minimize the significance of the goal of the participants of the competition? Did you get this idea from an episode of Care Bears or something?
2 people sit down. 1 wins, 1 loses. That’s the way it is.
I don’t know, lots of players break into that “top 8” recognition group. The rest are there for the experience and the continual strive to get better. I like that only so few are recognized, it pushes you to keep going forward. If everyone stopped and patted themselves on the back for top 32 or whatever, no one would be all that motivated to go even higher. Plus this isn’t like major FPS tournaments and starcraft and such, the player pool is MUCH smaller. You’d be recognizing practically everyone if you went much deeper.
The FGC can be a harsh and unforgiving place and like Matt said, the only support you’re going to have or need along the way is yourself. But that’s what top players are made of. Everyone has to go through that beaten and abused pot monster phase for a long time, getting consistent top 8 is testament to that grind and why they get so much respect here.
Coming from being a zero to being at least locally recognized as a top player, I wouldn’t wanna trade that in for happy friends hand holding time personally. But like you said, and you’re right, that doesn’t cater to most people. I don’t think “most” people even have it in them to get to that top level either though so I don’t think it’s even on the radar for a lot of folks. A lot of people I know are just in it for the fun and they just like competing, even if they’re not trying to all be Justin Wong.
Of top players, neither of them are particularly high on the player hierarchy. I played Andy in casuals and blew him up lol. Did you make it out in winners or losers? Obviously I was exaggerating on how easy your bracket was, but it was definitely one of the most forgiving ones out of all the ones I looked at.
True, but there as been a lot of talk about expanding to larger audiences too. It’s just my opinion that you can’t expand unless you open up more. On the other hand, I could totally see it diminishing top 3 as well. But then again, you take other sports in example, the scaling is pretty good. There is only one winner, one champion and etc, but the entire league is followed. The league itself is what I’m referring to in expanding. Right now, the league, the set of top players, is too small. It needs to expand more, and one way is to open it up in terms of recognition and coverage.
Yeah for sure, but that’s also part of my theory as well. I feel the reason no one want’s to be top level is because of the entry barrier. That in question is something that’s hard to lower because of how everything is so unforgiven and only completely focused on a limited amount of winners (top 3 to top 8).
I’ve talked to a lot of people in my own personal community research and been to a lot of competitions. Many like the idea of competing even as casuals. Most of the time it’s the accessibility to top tournaments as well not feeling they accomplished anything from beating out hundreds to not place in top 8. To most, accomplishing even that is a huge step, but it’s left to drop because it’s not good enough unless you make those top 8’s or top 3’s or even win everything. In most instances outside of the FGC and with sports, it’s fostered not to make it more easy, but to keep potential competition on the right track to keep the sport alive. Otherwise, you end up with a sport that eats itself with no new fish coming in. Ideally, what you want is a fresh stream of new competitors there who also bring in more spectators who also keep everything moving forward.
I’m a bit salty I didn’t get the SFxT sword. Grand Finals should have been me vs dieminion but shit happens.