sLK dmg 40->30
F+HP dmg 110->100
F+LK dmg 80->60 stun 100->70
B+MK dmg 70->60
sHP stun 200->150
sHK stun 200->150
crHK stun 200->150
V-skill dmg 70->50
FWD Throw dmg 130->110 stun 200->150(stun reduced universally)
Back Throw stun 200->150
CA dmg 350->330
Beta 1 vs Current
Nobody has catelogued the specials to check for differences yet.
Ken’s flowchart has a timeless, classic quality to it, you can’t compare it to some artless scissor kick spam. It has been the creative force behind songs, trolling, actual flowcharts and last but not least, some of the saltiest comments in the history of SF.
You can follow up all slashes now with the lp mp TC, but I’m not sure if that’s new (could’ve sworn it was just lk and ex slash). You can also hitconfirm mk slash off of cc St. HP.
cc St.HP xx qcf+MK, lp~MP xx scythe etc
How can ex scythe still be so bad as a reversal… Please don’t let Nash become the next deejay
Less frame advatage, can’t combo after it like old beta.
You can’t get the two TCS to connect anymore
having a real tough time trying to understand most of these changes. a lot of it feels really absurd. I feel like the nash we had during the first beta was close to perfect…
Yeah you can I was doing it earlier.
The second hit of the lp mp one kept whiffing for me, maybe it’s character specific I was doing it on karin
New V-Trigger combo to compensate for the nerfs.
-cr.Strong, b+MK xx Jab Sonic Boom xx f+Vtrigger, j.Fierce, cr.Strong, b+MK xx Sonic Scythe
-cr.Fierce, b+MK xx EX Sonic Boom (2) xx f+Vtrigger, j.Fierce, cr.Strong, b+MK xx Sonic Scythe
New CC combo from s.Fierce:
-CC s.Fierce xx MK Moonsault Slash, s.Jab~Strong xx Sonic Scythe
-CC s.Fierce xx MK Moonsault Slash, s.Jab~Strong xx EX Sonic Boom (2) xx f+Vtrigger, j.Fierce, cr.Strong xx b+MK xx Sonic Scythe
Thanks for noting his buffs. I was at my wits end with some of the nerfs he got. I really like the EX moonsault slash buff he got.
You cant Vtrigger cancel the start up of SB anymore but you can with EX Sonic Boom.
The corner combo of s.fierce xx fierce Sonic Boom, s.Strong etc… no longer works. You can’t link off of fierce boom anymore.
What’s this f+LK combo I’ve been hearing about? I couldn’t link anything after it from point blank but I keep hearing you can
Is the st.MK<st.HK<st.MK a new target combo? I don’t remember it in beta 1.
It really is quite bad I don’t use Charlie but I played a Charlie earlier he woke up with ex scythe and I beat it clean with a Cammy normal can’t remember which one tho
No, that’s been in it since phase 1.
It was in the first beta.
Does his CA travel full screen? And can you do his divekick both in the air and on the ground like Adon?
Also, a random question, but is hard knockdown still a thing in this game? All the moves seem to cause soft knockdown.
Infiltration streaming Nash and he’s doing some incredible stuff. His movement and neutral with Nash is crazy.
does this character not have a reversal other than super against meaty pressure
Compiling the list of Nash changes and new combos. Does this sound about right to everyone else?
Changes:
s.Short dmg 40->30
f.Fierce dmg 110->100
f.Short dmg 80->60 stun 100->70
b.Forward dmg 70->60
s.Fierce stun 200->150
s.RH stun 200->150
cr.RH stun 200->150
V-Skill dmg 70->50
Forward Throw dmg 130->110, stun 200->150 (stun reduced universally)
Back Throw stun 200->150
Critical Art dmg 350->330
Short Moonsault Slash stun 150->100
EX Moonsault Slash stun 200->150 (50+50+100->50+50+50)
-A lot more normals are V-Trigger cancelable, such as cr.Forward, s.RH, f+Fierce, etc…
-Directional inputs removed from target combos such as, s.MK~Fierce~f+MK (no longer require the forward input)
-V-Skill no longer causes a knockdown against an airborne opponent.
-f.Short hitbox seems buffed. It no longer causes a soft knockdown on juggle or counter hit. Causes an air reset in juggle and leaves opponent standing on counter hit. f.Short recovery reduced making it safe on block.
-f.Fierce causes a crumple on Crush Counter now. Max damage CC combo using f+LK no longer works.
-f.Fierce recovery reduced
-s.Fierce is now a Crush Counter
-cr.Fierce, v-Skill no longer works
-s.Forward is special cancelable. It now whiffs on crouching characters.
-The corner combo of s.Fierce xx Fierce Sonic Boom, s.Strong etc… no longer works. You can’t link off of the Fierce Sonic Boom anymore.
-You can no longer V-Trigger cancel the start up of regular Sonic Booms but you still can with EX Sonic Boom
-EX Moonsault Slash tracks better and hits lower to ground. You can no longer link cr.Strong after but you can link into jab~strong TC
-You can link jab~strong TC from all Moonsault Slashes
-RH Sonic Scythe launches higher allowing for new juggle opportunities such as RH Sonic Scythe xx f+V-Trigger, nj.RH, RH Sonic Scythe or corner juggle RH Sonic Scythe, f+LK
-RH Sonic Scythe is no longer super cancelable
-EX Sonic Scythe faster start up allowing for a reliable anti-air option
-EX Sonic Scythe juggle properties removed. Can no longer do EX Sonic Scythe xx f+V-Trigger, nj.RH, etc… The nj.RH whiffs now.
-Fierce Tragedy Assault is no longer an overhead
-Jab and Strong Tragedy Assault startup have been reduced
-All versions of Tragedy Assault now have a dynamic camera angle on hit
-Tragedy Assault no longer KOs on the first hit if it would. It will wait for the second hit for the KO to drain the opponents meter.
Midscreen:
-cr.Fierce/Strong, s.Strong~Short~Fierce
-cr.Fierce, s.Strong xx EX Sonic Boom (2) xx f+V-Trigger, j.Fierce, cr.Fierce, s.Strong xx Sonic Scythe
-cr.Strong, s.Strong xx Jab Sonic Boom xx f+V-Trigger, j.Fierce, cr.Fierce, s.Strong xx Sonic Scythe
-CC s.Fierce xx Short/Forward Moonsault Slash, s.Jab~Strong xx Sonic Scythe
-CC s.Fierce xx Short/Forward Moonsault Slash, s.Jab~Strong xx EX Sonic Boom (2) xx f+V-Trigger, j.Fierce, cr.Strong, s.Strong xx Sonic Scythe
-CC f.Fierce, dash RH Sonic Scythe
-CC f.Fierce xx f+V-Trigger, j.Fierce, cr.Fierce, s.Strong xx RH Sonic Scythe or Forward Sonic Scythe xx Critical Art
Corner:
-cr.Fierce, s.Strong xx RH Sonic Scythe, f+LK or EX Sonic Scythe
-cr.Fierce, s.Strong xx EX Sonic Boom (2) xx b+V-Trigger, j.Fierce, s.Fierce xx RH Sonic Scythe, f+LK or EX Sonic Scythe
-cr.Strong, s.Strong xx Jab Sonic Boom xx b+V-Trigger, j.Fierce, s.Fierce xx RH Sonic Scythe, f+LK or EX Sonic Scythe
-cr.Strong, s.Strong xx Jab Sonic Boom xx b+V-Trigger, j.Fierce, s.Fierce xx Forward Sonic Scythe xx Critical Art
Does anyone remember if you could always link s.Strong from cr.Fierce or cr.Strong? Seems like it’s new and it solves a lot of issues of b+MK whiffing at certain ranges.
I also don’t remember being able to juggle f+LK off of a corner RH Sonic Scythe.
^ f+LK also completely safe now as opposed to being easily punishable in Beta 1.
The juggle in the corner might be a result of the f+LK buff.
Edit: Also realised f+LK air resets in a juggle now… It used to soft knockdown letting you juggle after.
I just did raw super and got like super crap damage…, but it was birdie