itachi already had a condition before the hax (TBC?). the hax fucked up his eyes, and susanoo which probably nobody had before seen took what little life was left in him. also ps3 allows me to stay in bed and still being on srk, with some troubles of course.
MC187, your reachin right now…you got them sharrigan contacts or somethin’?
Since when has it been implied that Madara was holding back because he was controllign the Kyuubi? It was never even hinted at that Madara was holdin back or was weakend from controlling the Kyuubi. If that was the case - the moment the 4th took the 9T from his control, Madara should have been able to access beast mode…in fact Madara wouldn’t have resorted to such tactics in the first place if he could son the 4th that easily.
And is it really far fetched for the leader of Konoha who had to lead Uchihas, still had the 3rd in his corner, etc - to know about at least the genjutsu and the amaterasu? Even on a scrub tier basis - the 4th would know that Uchiha specialize in genjutsu -0 thats common knowledge, so I doubt he had any fear towards the genjutsu in the first place. Hell he prolly had a seal or something that a genjutsu would have to crack first anyways…but that would be me reaching.
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did you read the chapter? even the 4th knew that if it was madara that he (maddy) needed to wrap it up fast. do you believe that controlling the kyyubi is an easy feat? if a normal sharingan and normal genjutsu could tame the beast, they would have done so. from what i got out of it, the kyuubi couldnt be controlled for very long, it probably takes a huge amount of chakra to cast the gen, and probably keeps on sucking chakra as long as its active.
otherwise wtf would maddy have to hurry and rush for if the shit is free. he didnt use 1 big or chakra draining move on minato cause he couldnt. this is the same madara that knocked the 3 or 4 tails bijuu out in 1 fucking jutsu. i believe madara was handicapped, either fight full force, or acquire the kyuubi and fight 4th as a crippled. i believe he didnt give the 4th nearly enough cred to take him on like that. if it had been the 2nd, 3rd or 5th, it might have been enough. shit dont work on the yellow flash.
edit, 4th wasnt born, and 1st thought maddy was dead.
Can’t say for sure on this, Unreallystic is right. Chronologically, I believe you can only say he got sick sometime after he joined up with Akatsuki. Everything else is up in the air as to when.
Granted one could probably make a very wide assumption that he could have been down the path to sickness after he started using the MS. It’s confirmed that shit gives you the itis, hardbodied. But still there’s no assumption other than after Akatsuki.
if it was because of MS overuse, sasuke would be dead by now. he uses those MS jutsus more in 1 fight than itachi did in years. itachi was dying with or without the MS. it could have been faster because of the MS, but it sure as wasnt the cause of his sickness. people do die of sickness, even in this manga (didnt 1st die of sickness?).
either way im off, next time im on laptop. beware of essays.
MS overuse just affects vision.
Itachi was just too damn good…so he got ninja aids. All good ninjas get ninja aids, or date outside of the ninja-kind, much to the distaste of ninjas of the opposite sex…whom feel that ninjas need to stick together. It takes a village to raise a ninja…feel meh? Watching a ninja walk down the block with a Samurai chick wil lget a bunch of female ninjas to start talking behind their backs.
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Ghetto-hell-no-you-hoe No Jutsu right there. But yeah his[Itachi’s] illness was ninja-itis + MS blindness. They were too separate afflictions.
at least any resultant samurai-ninja babies will be loved and excepted by both feudal era militia groups 
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explain why he didn’t kill madara then. plothole har har har. nigga wasn’t strong enough to kill madara. itachi wank was always top notch.
imagine if itachi actually was evil and took sasukes eyes to live and not go blind. shit would have been awesome. unless he still stayed sick and died the next day with all those pewpew ems powers.
most uchihas seem to have a short lifeline. madara the one taking his bros eyes, hes still alive and looking better than that other old kage and way better than 3rd who was even way younger than him. ems = stay young and sexy for ever?
anybody notice how both naruto and sasuke are 2 of the only nins to go over their limits, then go over it again, then go over their limits limits. main ninja shit right there.
blanka just read the damn manga and try to figure it out yourself (motherfuckers beyond stupid or young). even if i could i wouldnt want to help you. shit, i wouldnt piss over your face if it was lit on fire. everything remains better as long as you dont know it.
You’re full of what-if’s MS187, you’ll just give yourself headaches. You can’t guess on shit like this and try to impose it on others, just come up with theories and let it be known you were right. Like I guessed correctly that Bee would teach Naruto one day, but I based it on the fact that 8 tails breaking KillerBee out of a genjutsu and I thought that the 9tails would do the same with Naruto but that doesn’t look like will happen. I just got the teaching part down correctly.
Except killing madara would have negated his entire life’s work of making Sasuke the Uchiha redeemer. He didn’t want the truth hidden from sasuke; he wanted it to be used as a catalyst for Sasuke when the time was right.
It’s constantly been implied that madara is nowhere near his former power prior to fighting the first. Madara talks of it all the time. The fact that we haven’t seen what may be the strongest Uchiha do anything other than phase or teleport in any of his fights is a pretty good indication that he is not using his full power.
theres a difference between the what ifs im giving, and the direct from the manga facts im giving. itachi died from non ms related sickness, even madara commented on it. madara fought 4th right away after getting the kyuubi, didnt use any chakra costing moves, 4th commenting on him not being able to use the 9t for long etc. we can deduct shit from this. its not that hard. also tsukiyomi not being breakable unless, a sharingan, or jin in control of bijuu is confirmed. we dont know what 4th knew bout the ms jutsus, true. we do know that 1st was dead long time ago, and they expected madara to be dead. there are chances of 3rd knowing bout the ms jutsus, but to what extend? and did he tell 4th? we dont know. what we do know is that if jiraiya or 4th got caught in tsukiyomi, theyd be fucked. fact. and the way they faced them makes it look like they didnt know. unhless the 4th was soo smart and knew soo much that he knew madara didnt have any chakra left for tsuki, deducting from his madara and the kyuubi comment.
small tidbit, a LOT of the things people here where arguing about where already confirmed in the manga. just saying. others require more thinking, it might not be what one of is thinking, but theres is something wrong with the picture. that much is known. and if you wanna talk about guessing right, i guessed itachi being a good guy since his first appearence. doesnt mean shit.
how would that stop sasuke from being sasuke a hero? no one knew madara was alive except a few people. sasuke would still be a hero cause he was the killer of ‘itachi-the uchiha clan killer.’ he wanted the truth to be hidden from sasuke, that’s straight from the manga.
…, really, REALLY?
How would it be fact if it never happened (J-Man/4th getting caught in Tsukiyomi).
Are you in denial? You’re still doing the what-if’s and/or guessing.
never go full retard
RE: 4th didn’t know…
I think the 4th stated that it must take a lot of chakra to summon [and keep under control] the 9t, and that Madara would want to end the fight with him quick. If a chakra draining genjutsu is used to control the 9t, and a lot of chakra was used just for the initial summon, I think the 4th is covered on knowing that Madara can’t use other high chakra moves to fight him in tandem. ie 4th knew MS pew-pew powwa was out.
now… if sauce x-copied blackage’s lightning style kaioken would the shock to his system speed/power up his other jutsu? ie “kaminariken x 20: amaretsu” before getting serious with freiza… i mean madara.
Yes, that has been implied, I’m not pretending like Madara was at his peak or anything, but even not in peak shape, I have a hard time figuring out how he would lose the effectiveness of his genjutsu…especially after landing EMS. And my originaly point was more about the whole Itachi dick sucking process…Geejutsu is made to look broken, but good ninjas figure out ways around that shit, just like the dragon punch in SF. Folks act like only Naruto has the ability to break a genjutsu. Yet Madara hit Naruto’s momm with a genjutsu, then took it a step further to hit the 9T with a genjutsu while still inside, then pulled that shit out like a inverted turkey baster. Madara’s got eye skills. Yet he didn’t try and hit the 4th with a genjutsu…which as a SF player is akin to a Ryu player knowing that his opponenet can counter/retaliate against jab dp spam. I’m talking about this WAY too much…
HA! Just had to quote…
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Ever thought that if Itachi went against Madara then Madara would have went intangible and been
all like:
“Mah niggas, HERE, we have a traitor among US Niggas. His NAAAAAME is Itachi. Nigga
think he bettah than us! PAIN! Tell this nigga to get down or lay down NIGGUH!”
Madara got a crew remember? Shit I wouldn’t be surprised if Madara went to newly ostracized Itachi
and was like. Yo, you gonna be down nigga? I got 8 pipe hittin niggas gonna rape Konoha at once nigga.
You a nigga, nigga, or do I gotta get nigga, nigga? That’s my nigga! Now lets go kill yo mama.