MvCI Meta and Tier Discussion

Chris was in my “need to punch more boulders” tier

The only two characters that IMO are really weak ATM is Black Panther and Hulk.

Everyone else, even Ryu, has an use.

Also, Gamora isn’t Top Tier anymore.

What are Ryu’s optimal teams?

I’ve been playing a Ryu/Dante recently and it seems pretty solid. Obviously Dante works with everyone but I did find the players Ryu to be very good and Dante/Soul complimented the team very well.

Yea any of your top tiers are going to be good for ryu I would assume. Zero, Dante, ultron, dorm, nova would be my guess. I used ryu/cap for awhile but I don’t think it would work very well with anymore with the way they changed reality stone.

I play Ryu/MonHun. They have great synergy because she is amazing at support. They both like Time Stone as well so it’s really a good team balance.

are any of winter soldiers buttons positive? pretty sure all of the specials are negative. grenades seem like they are safe-ish.

Grenades are not safe :frowning: grenadexxassault rifle needs to be a thing >=[

yeah I found that out the hard way.

Nvm

But Winter Soldier should be played more like a Ghost Rider archetype, long range snipe type character. He has fantastic hit confirms from full screen, he has armour on his “armour piercer” specials, he has his idgaf shield that can help hit confirm up close, he has lots of utility and mixup potential with his grenades which should be used situational. To be + on things like grenades and guns would just be ridiculous. He’s not Cable.

mix up potential? where? he has one overhead that you have stance to get to. no cross up. trying to make the character work.

he plays mid to long range. but the area above his head is easy to get to…the. you can open him up like a can of beans.

Well every special move can be effectively made plus with a tag. If you have someone like Dante behind him there will most likely be ways to gain advantage with grenade or guns into tag. If I was playing Winter Soldier I’d always tag off of his shit into someone else then just use him to tag combo convert after the other guy lands a hit. Just use him as an assist basically.

The same way Ghost Rider players use Ghost Rider. They don’t spend long bouts swinging around Ghost Rider’s shit. His shit is much better used to tag off into other characters. Instant j.HPxxxtag, whip superxxxtag, motorcycle superxxxtag etc.

It’s funny because i played a winter soldier who was plus forever with stance canceling. Literally couldn’t do anything unless I pushblocked.

Black Panther is steadily going lower on my tier list.

Grenades + Time Stone. They bounce off walls and still remain if they fall off screen or switch to another character, so they can be hard to see when used in specific setups.

Exactly, he has no overhead or crossup because he’s supposed to be played at long range and punish, and use his armour utility to close the gap if he has to.

You have an entire second to hit confirm from qcf+lk from full screen into a switch and combo with another character and it doesn’t scale anywhere near as hard as you’d think it would.

Bucky is upper mid to high, if his projectiles couldn’t be reflected I’d say he was upper high tier.

I really hope they buff Frank back to his MvC3 self… he just ain’t the same!

I’ll even accept his combos being fucked due to the damage HSD, but the first hit of j.LP needs to hit overhead in levels 4/5! That alone would make him much scarier to fight.

For now:

Top Tier/S: Zero, Nova, Ultron, Dormammu, Jedah Dohma, Dante, Firebrand, Capt. Marvel, Sigma

High Tier/A: Strider Hiryu, Spiderman, Gamora, Thanos, Venom, Monster Hunter, Chun-Li, Black Widow, Megaman X, Thor

Mid Tier/B: Morrigan Aensland, Mike Haggar, Dr. Strange, Nathan Spencer, Ghost Rider, Capt. America, Nemesis, Bucky, Hawkeye, Ironman, Rocket Raccoon, Chris Redfield, Arthur

Lower Mid/B-: Ryu, Frank West

Low Tier/C: Hulk, Black Panther

Sigma in S tier?