The guy I fought yesterday used soul storm and just immediately popped level 3 with Chris.
A lot of people have been using soul storm lvl 3 immediately if they have a character that has a great projectile lvl 3. Great damage if it hits, great pressure if it doesn’t and you don’t have to worry about being happy birthday’d during your storm.
Most devastating use i’ve seen out of it was with Arthur.
Haha, really? That’s awesome.
I’ve been whoring the swoop lately in general, just for the fast drop and advantage on block. It’s one of my favorite things to tag to Coon from. Not sure if it’s a hard to blockable if I go low afterwards with Cool. That trade made me laugh, not sure if I hit non armor frames but I was like wait? He still took the hard knockdown too LOL!
I tell you one thing though, on PC I have YET to run into another Unsullied player. I feel like I’m a damn unicorn playing Firebrand.
Characters I haven’t run into at all in ranked so far
Arthur, Firebrand, Spencer
Must be bad characters. I’ve even seen Thor, Ryu and Captain America at least once. Only ran into one Frank also, but hey at least that’s one.
I’ve run into all 3 of them. Not a ton, but I can’t think of any character I haven’t seen in ranked yet
I feel like Spencer is slightly bad. Flexible, but really has to work to exploit what his opponent is weak against rather than having anything good himself. Maybe if Bionic Arm was still invincible…
Arthur has hard counters, not sure if that makes him bad though. The potential for Happy Birthday level 3s will always be scary.
I don’t understand Firebrand well enough to even have an opinion yet.
Only Frank I’ve ever played I believe has auto combo on and presses reality stone every single time it’s available. He helps me practice projectile reflects
as his gameplay is utter well…see the above. I’ve seen one Spencer too.
Frank lost his good standing and jumping M tho, he’s not as fun to play.
@Dime @d3v Last I checked, time stone doesn’t lead to left right mix ups. Projectile into surge can always be blocked front and is never a cross up. I only tested this with Thanos, but I don’t see why it would be different for Morri and Ultron
I tested it, it leads to crossups in my tests. I’ll try it with thanos as well. Yesterday I specifically tested morrigan super into tag to ultron. Doesn’t work point blank, but give it about a half screen distance and it works.
Are you sure you were actually crossing your opponent up and not having the projectile hit as you were in the middle of their body?
-edit Well I thought I was gonna test this, but apparently this 7.6 GB patch has its own plans about when I’ll be able to play again.
Fuck these patches and fuck Aussie net
Ok so i finally was able to test this, first of all… good work! :tup:
Ok, ill try to make this short and yall can fill in the blanks:
There seems to be an autoblock flag on CERTAIN moves. Ultron cannot self crossup with L drone>time surge… HOWEVER he can do it with H drone> time surge.
This flag doesnt seem to work when doing a tag crossup though. As an example i can L drone xx tag> time surge and it WILL crossup.
The flag seems to only be against certain moves and only when self assisted.
There are more rules to it im pretty sure, but specific testing with every move for said characters will need to be done.
Tldr… it works when tagging but doesnt when self crossing up for specific moves.
It might be proximity guard. I’m guessing that, as L drone comes out, the proximity guard boxes are already there, causing the opponent to block even before they’re crossed up (which triggers left-right autoguard). With the H drone, it’s likely that the proximity guard boxes come only with the beam itself.
Spencer not good? I’m having a blast with him, he can continue combo after random shit like air to air DP into up grapple
zipline also eats reality stone
To keep from double posting to much I will edit this post with more info as the day goes on:
Tags are not all made the same.
Ultron tag into a blocking or pushblocking opponent leaves him far away from the opponent… meaning he can’t do stuff like get tagged into then do an immediate box jump crossup.
However, morrigans tag is completely the opposite. Whether her opponent blocks or pushblocks or gets hit, she is basically at point blank. This means morrigan gets a point blank mixup off of her tag and ultron doesn’t.
So that means tags have tiers. They are not all made the same. Because morrigan stays close she can get a mixup off of any tag that makes contact with the opponent.
But why do this when any character can just hold down and not have the tag hit, yet still be point blank?
This brings up a good point:
About the normal xx time surge>tag
This actually does work. It’s a way in closer even on pushblock. What we want to setup however is a tag that that makes contact with a character who’s tag leaves them close to the opponent. So doing this with ultron wouldn’t be so good… you don’t get point blank mixups. You will have to tag hit cancel into dash to get point blank.
With morrigan though this can be very good since you get to put the opponent into block/hitstun and then go for a high/low mixup.
Yeah I think I’m settled on Time Dante/Morrigan. Seen enough of it to like where it puts me in the meta with characters I like. Morrigan has cool bullet hell stuff in time storm and Dante has easy mode s.HP chain in the storm. Plus he can bold cancel off raw stinger in the storm.
Oh and random things vs Dante. A lot of Dantes like to jump in the air and make it rain on you with the rain dance guns (upside down gun spin thing). Apparently if you gold pushblock them they can be reflected back at Dante. Theoretically you could do that to send the bullets back at him, do some damage and better room to get him off of you. Probably somewhat important because rain dance can’t be pushed out.
Cool thing about ultron and Dante is they have kinda the same things.
You can use the ultron st.hp xx special plus tag with Dante:
Dante st.hp xx qcf lp+tag (mucho frame advantage) unfortunately those gunshots can be reflected with pushblock so it’s not something you would ever want to abuse.
But you also have st.hp xx qcf lk. This basically becomes you tagged in partners version of hidden missiles. You go for you mixup, if it’s blocked or whatever you have a choice to time stone through the opponent for a crossup, or you can use the blockstun of the projectile to set something else up.
Combine that with rain dance neutral derp and the occasional teleport and you’ve got a lot of angles covered for offense.
Their Derp is hello strong.
Morrigan is still good, its just that her fireball is almost useless in most matchups if you can believe that.
Morrigan has a box dash, a tridash, and a forward dash that turns into a double overhead.
Install super is also gross if you can get them to freeze since sister sister looks almost exactly like point morrigan. Something about her j.HP at low altitude whiffs so you can use it to go right through the opponent and that is the recipe for shenanigans.
I wish her 236K had tracking because the hard knockdown it causes is nice.
I’ve probably played this game a total of 5-6 hours at this point but I think Morrigan still has the juice.
I just cant figure out what stone works best, I think she benefits from all the stones equally being that shes pretty well rounded.
As someone grinding Dante/Frank, them changing his MvC3 Level 5 aerials to command aerial normals was a strange move. If I’m Level 5, why would I want to use his regular limb normals? I don’t understand that for the life of me. Also, the amount of hits now causes characters to flip out way earlier than they used to in MvC3 when he did his Level 5 tools loop. I still like him but level 5 just isn’t as scary.