It’s so crazy that they hate their own product that I believe it.
Wasn’t this game developed by Capcom USA and by the makers of XvSF?
If so, seeing that the gameplay is perfect or close to it, why the hate?
The only thing that comes to mind is that working with all the Marvel redtape is a hassle but again, Marvel with their MCU is at an all time high, it prints money by itself.
Sure, there are roster problems but the newcomers like Gamora, Bucky, Widow, Capt. Marvel, Sigma and others have been well received by players.
I don’t get where the “fuck that game” is coming from. This game has the potential to be a CvS2 in Marvel versus format and is getting hate because ____________???
Fill in the blanks.
Saandro:
The reason this game is played by most people is because ‘‘It’s Mahvel, baby!’’. Which is fine, but if any other company would dare to put out an objectively subpar product like this it would never get anywhere.
Objectively subpar? Why “objectively subpar”?
So, as you guys probably already know - earlier today, after tweeting out about it, Chris G did a relatively short stream during which he talked all about Capcom Cup, Battle for the Stones, as well as the current state of MVCI and the game’s future.
The stream totaled at ~2.5 hours long and was full of blowups, so I decided to timestamp it for your viewing convinience and jump straight to the most interesting bits.
The VOD itself is located here -
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/209079305 .
Enjoy.
Timestamps:
00:38:28
About Marvel vs Capcom in general and its treatment at EVO
00:42:19
Battle for the Stones. The rules, structure, scheduling and organization issues
00:55:13
Bracket rigging for “certain someone”
01:02:53
PlayStation Experience 2017 impressions
01:08:28
More scheduling issues, this time for Sunday, the Finals Day
01:11:32
01:24:39
The confusion about the Infinity Stones
01:29:10
Post-match hilarity and feelings
01:35:01
MVCI Left Behind after Grand Finals
01:38:04
Post-tournament events and Chris’ 2nd place trophy
01:42:16
Reflecting on the fighting game tournament career
01:53:05
01:55:07
The future of MVCI. Is Mahvel Infinite dead?
02:06:30
Community putting focus on MVCI and almost being “lied to” by Capcom
02:15:19
What can the community do to improve the landscape for MVCI?
Bulletpoints from the stream:
For the last two years, MVC3 was treated like crap by the EVO staff, especially with the whole donation drive thing
MVCI isn’t doing very well commercially. Many parties are responsible for that, not just solely Capcom
The Infinity Stones weren’t thought out well for BFTS
Capcom’s first mistake in the organization of BFTS was allowing Fchamp to participate in the tournaments despite him having early access to the game for like a week+ before release
The scheduling for BFTS had problems. Players were told to arrive on Wednesday whereas in fact they were supposed to arrive on Thursday. This also kinda jeopardized taking the pictures with the TOs and the dinner for competitors. The LCQ for CapCup and BFTS were happening at the same time on Friday
KillerKai got screwed out of earning a Stone because of the Canada Cup bracket incident
Players had to announce their Stone usage publicly. Teemo wasn’t allowed to use his stone, for example, because he didn’t tell Capcom about it beforehand, which definitely played a part in how his matches went (he lost to Chris)
Chris had to DQ himself from SFV’s LCQ for CapCup because he had to play Marvel matches in between
The BFTS bracket was changed/rigged 9 times overnight, to accommodate a “certain someone”. One of the players in Chris’ chat basically implied it was Fchamp
Sunday could’ve easily have had Top-4 instead of just the Grand Finals, especially if there wasn’t a hundred breaks after every match
Cloud and Chris were miscommunicated upon in regards to the interview for BFTS, the interview itself was delayed and changed the location over the course of the weekend
The PSX staff was completely clueless about Capcom Cup, BTFS, etc
CPT Damon (who’s basically the creator of Battle for the Stones) was being rude about Chris being just a few minutes late even though BFTS finals were scheduled 2.5 hours after when he was supposed to arrive to the venue, and they still had to wait for somebody else
Neither Chris nor Cloud had badges, so they had to go through hoops with security and John D to get special wristbands to enter the venue
Angie, Chris’ GF, was kicked out of the venue because she wasn’t one of the players
People that were promised a badge prior were denied access and had to purchase their way in for 75$
The whole badge incident was essentially a colossal waste of nerves and time just for a rehearsal of receiving the winner’s trophy and Ono coming out on stage
Once the Grand Finals were done, Chris was basically shoo’d from the stage after Cloud received his trophy and Ono did the “speech”. Pretty much the entire staff bailed out for the Capcom Cup finals
Chris met John D after the tournament, which is when John gave him his trophy for finishing 2nd
The trophy itself is a wooden cutout piece with plastic cover on top (I guess to prevent damage). It was missing one of the screws that held the plastic cover in place
The picture with Chris, John and the trophy was taken inside the hotel with a random Capcom Cup sign
John D’s quote after giving Chris the trophy: “Fuck that game (MVCI) anyway”
CPT Damon to Chris after he received the trophy: “This (being rewarded after the finals) is what you get for being late”
Chris was at least happy after seeing Sakura in SFV and will go back to playing SFV again
Marvel vs Capcom, the series, isn’t dead. But Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite “is in a different boat”
The 1st nail in MVCI’s coffin: BFTS was not on a post-patch version of the game (partially because of fchamp’s early access most likely). 2nd nail in MVCI’s coffin: awful organization of BFTS across the board. 3rd nail in the coffin: no announcements from Capcom at the BFTS finals period, no new characters, no hints at a Pro Tour next year
However, despite all of that, Chris doesn’t believe that Mahvel is dead and has hopes for the next year
Chris was also told that MVCI would be funded fully for at least 2 years
After the terrible experience at BFTS Chris will not be focusing on MVCI and will shift his attention to SFVAE and other fighting games coming out in 2018
He also thinks that NRS treats their games better competitively speaking, and apologized on stream for “dismissing” them previously
Capcom employees told the community to focus on the game, as if ensuring them that everything twill be fine, there will be support for the game and the tournament scene, etc
Mike Ross came into Chris’ stream and said the following in the chat: “Don’t shill, just play what you like. It’s that simple”, and left
Chris still will do whatever he can to support the Mahvel community regardless of the support status from Capcom
TL;DR - Battle for the Stones was fucked up. MVCI is dead. Chris was left heartbroken. Fuck John D
Because everything else besides gameplay is underwhelming or just garbage.
DiasFox
December 13, 2017, 5:00pm
566
So what John D left behind?
Best game is LIVE for PS4, XBOne, and Steam <3
You guys forgot something.
“- Chris was also told that MVCI would be funded fully for at least 2 years”
Time to right the ship.
Saandro
December 13, 2017, 6:17pm
570
Incredibly poor presentation, rooster and visual. 70% of the cast returns from the previous game. And a story mode that would make the game better if it hadn’t been included in the first place. Everything together screams low effort cash-grab.
Not trying to hate on you for playing and liking the game, but people have legitimate gripes with it. Not just hating for the sake of it.
Shit. Gonna be fully supported for the next 2 years? I ain’t worried then. The DLC was a godsend and brought life to the game. People still worried, myself including, with how Capcom is handling the game. But 2 years? If Capcom can’t do it right we sure as hell can. Keep playing fams.
About to tweet yipes on when is his curleh mustache tournament. though i think he said he wills stop.
willseless:
Because everything else besides gameplay is underwhelming or just garbage.
What leaves me salty is that it’s on Capcom that the game was rushed and now they want to treat it like a red headed step child when it’s their fault it didn’t sell well
The crime in all of this is the fact that the gameplay is super fun
Pertho
December 13, 2017, 6:30pm
573
You know shit is crazy when OG accounts come back just to complain.
Raz0r
December 13, 2017, 6:38pm
574
This is hilariously inept. Whoever is in charge of organizing this event needs to be fired. There are plenty of people to hire who know how to orchestrate large-scale events.
I could’ve sworn this whole doom-and-gloom movie was playing during SFV’s initial year.
Yeah it was pretty obvious the stones tourney was chopped and slammed together by employees who didn’t really give a shit. Glad it’s over with and can just move on. I think itd be a fun side event to do again, but to use something like that as a major event was only going to go wrong. Just they found a way to make it go way more wrong than it needed to. John should lose his shill badge for talking shut about crack
Regardless, crack still lives
Psychoblue:
Zane_Hitsurugi:
Psychoblue:
Zane_Hitsurugi:
Psychoblue:
Spoken like someone who hasn’t really had a true FGC experience.
I’ve been playing SFxT for close to 6 years now. It’s not just because I’m good at it or I hate whatever else is on the market, because I actively play SFV and Tekken 7 with friends and even won a few charity tournaments in SFV. I’ve accepted that right now I don’t have the execution needed for MVCI or the time to get it, but I’ll watch it gladly and lab when I can.
I play SFxT because like Clockwork and Mahvel I have a personal history with the game. I got into SFxT heavy because I needed an outlet to vent for a lot of drama going on in my life at the time, and throughout the years as I climbed up the professional ladder and out of the pit of misery, SFxT and its community was with me the entire way. Even though I’m the only one among the original #SFxT IRC to still be playing other than a couple of people that I roped into the new SFxT Discord once that PC Online Patch went public and allowed us to play online again, the original crew has their own dedicated Discord solely devoted to talking to one another as friends. We became a family, us against the rest of the FGC, and this year we’ve been making big waves. Windalfr, Coolkid and Ice have all had great years in SFV and Fergus went to Tekken World Finals.
This year I not only got the closest thing I’ve ever had to a directorship as a BCBA, but I finally defeated Esuta and won the side tournament at EVO, convincingly. I even had an offline set with Poongko in the lobby just before the doors opened and did absolutely spectactular. It was clear as day that I was a different man than I was when I first stumbled into Final Round 16 and encountered him in SFxT.
Now that my my career is at the point that it is I barely have enough time to even lab during the week: I just go ham on weekends for the games I play, or set up an appointment to play a set in whatever. SFxT will ALWAYS be a part of me. I’ve had Redbull articles written about me. I’ve been featured on SRK’s front page three times this year. I won a tournament at EVO against someone who not only plays the game, but plays it consistently well AND is good enough to beat big names in current games. I was on two different lists for the most inspirational FGC figures thing that was going around twitter. There is absolutely no way I would have done any of that without this SFxT journey.
THAT is why Clockwork is getting tilted over this, because he’s the same way. Marvel isn’t just a game to him, it was a phase of his life that molded him into the man he is today. He is 100% right to get upset that keyboards warriors are laughing at people who take this game seriously like they’re inferior. He is not a shill. He’s not even at Capcom anymore. He calls it like it is. People who jump on hate bandwagons are talking about things they don’t have any credibility to say and the people who actually play the game are calling them out on it.
What even counts as a true FGC experience?
You just proved my point.
Being a tournament player absolutely is part of the FGC experience for what matters, because it is an FGC event that is being discussed for MVCI’s place in it. Clockwork’s love for the game isn’t JUST the actual game, it’s the people he’s encountered along the way to become good at it. Like I said, all the guys I played SFxT with during the game’s most active period don’t even play it anymore, but we’re all still very close and look out for each other in real life if we need to.
What gives you the right to define the fgc as such a thing as to only include tournament players?
Again, you are proving my point.
The people you have met through the game, ideally while playing each other, are part of the FGC experience and that is what myself and Clockwork are talking about. I don’t know how you can meet your closest friends through the fighting games you play and not understand where Clockwork is coming from. For him and many others, Mahvel was the catalyst of them meeting the people who made a profound impact on their lives and shaped them into the people they are today.
In one circle I have, we all met through Tekken 4/5/DR and we now talk regularly on FB chat over nonsense like sports with the occasional anime and fighting game mention. I’m actually meeting one friend I met through Tekken Nation when I go to Holland next moth to visit another friend I met through Street Fighter.
There is a distinct difference in respect between fellow gamers vs respect between competitors, especially ones who take their craft seriously. In social media you will VERY rarely see athletes publicly trash other athlete’s work ethic and hustle openly unless there was something else going on like he was doping or purposely tried to end someone’s career or did something clearly criminal and evil. It’s because however much they might talk trash on the field/court, there is a mutual respect between them and the journey they took to get to the level they’re at now. It’s the same way with those who compete in tournaments even if it’s just at the local level. One of my fiercest offline rivals here in Richmond is now one of my closest friends. I even sponsored him to come to EVO 2016 and hooked up his girlfriend with a job at my last position which gave her the credibility to get a management position at a larger more prestigious company.
All but one of my closest friends in my life, offline or online, I met through fighting games. Clockwork feels like Wiz throwing out the loaded question that he did on twitter today is a blatant slap in the face to those who actually play Mahvel, had all of this history with it and still play it and bond through it.
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Wasn’t this game developed by Capcom USA and by the makers of XvSF?
If so, seeing that the gameplay is perfect or close to it, why the hate?
The only thing that comes to mind is that working with all the Marvel redtape is a hassle but again, Marvel with their MCU is at an all time high, it prints money by itself.
Sure, there are roster problems but the newcomers like Gamora, Bucky, Widow, Capt. Marvel, Sigma and others have been well received by players.
I don’t get where t
Real talk. I’m all for the tournaments run by players (former players) for the players that love the games. That’s where the soul of the FGC was born. Yeah e-sports, where’s my fight money but shit I’m old.
Marvel Infinite lacks the hype train of a Capcom title. It feels more like a niche anime fighter where few selected people enjoy the occasional balance changes and new character drops and nothing more.
This issue becomes though now that Capcoms been shown to be brushing aside MvCi, would they even try to give it the SFV treatment?
