nerf xfactor, nerf damage overall, remove forward/back tech, dont let you call assist after a reset, make it so if the point character is hit the assist doesn’t come out. now you have a game closer to mvc2, which is about setups and resets rather than dumb one-touch kills. i dont know why they changed all those things from mvc2 in the first place (it’s because they don’t have a goddamn clue what theyre doing).
Forward/back techrolling is a good thing.
i was talking about teching in the air. it limits your reset options compared to mvc2 where you could get a lot more creative with resets because you know for sure where they’re going to be after you drop your combo.
I’m alllllll down for emphasis on reset/setup, man. I wanna see more smart play than just brainless cr.L mashing, logan derping, or x-factor DPh chipping you to death.
just finished watching the GFs at the CEO tournament, and I’m pretty salty that a logan/phoenix team took it. I dunno. maybe it’s the salt talking now. I just really want smart play and hard work to be rewarded more than it’s given credit for, but that’s probably just like asking for the fucking moon at this point.
I wasn’t talkin s**t about Task, just hypin up Combofiend
Imho, Chris G had more of a chance vs Tokido than Justin did.
He was only one game off from taking it from him, and he was a lot more consistent once he had the momentum going.
As mentioned before, it Chris G vs Tokido seemed more of a GF set than Justin’s; hypest set of CEO for me.
Other than AE’s ‘We believe’ sweep.
EDIT: Also Art’s salty runback with Gamerbee - non-S tier AE hype
We need a game changing nerf now before EVO to shake grounds… Comic Con International.
Rewatched the end of CEO this morning, and Justin broke down in the second set of the grand finals.
Game 1, Justin wins it handily.
Game 2, Justin is already up 1 game. He catches Tokido’s Wolverine in an airthrow, pops X-Factor, and drops the combo to kill him. Take note of http://www.justin.tv/teamsp00ky/b/287945864 Part 2 @ 1:06:11 because it’s the moment where Tokido clenches the tournament. Justin never gets it going again after this point, lots of dropped combos etc.
Game 3, Justin gets thrown at match start and loses Wolverine.
Game 4, Justin gets thrown at match start and loses Wolverine. Roll credits.
So here’s what I took away from it:
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[]Justin had the right plan and failed to execute in games 2, 3 and 4 of the second set.
[]Tron assist meant that Justin got the first hit consistently, except for when he got thrown at match start twice in a row (which was just bad).
[]When it came to the neutral game of Wolverine+Tron vs Wolverine+Sentinel, Justin was consistently ahead. Up until he dropped that combo, in the grand finals he had 5 openings that killed Wolverine to Tokido’s 2. (3 from the first set, 2 at that point in the second set).
[]Popping X-Factor to kill Tokido’s Wolverine meant weakness against a loaded Phoenix. I’d try other team setups that could turn Wolverine’s opening throws into a DHC glitch (via TAC) that killed without needing to use X-Factor in case Phoenix happens.
[]I feel like Tokido’s team was weak against Wolverine. If he lost his point character early, Sentinel is such a huge easy target to mix-up for Wolverine, that a snapback to Phoenix was going to happen next.
[]Wolverine+Phoenix is super greedy in that both of them want to use X-Factor AND all your meter. Tokido was smart in having a ‘back-up’ plan built into his team in that if one of them dropped the ball, the other would pick it up
[*]Viscant’s talked about “going for the win” on Phoenix teams before where after a certain point, you’re so far ahead that you feel confident using meter. I think Tokido took this concept a step further in that the moment you have even a slight advantage you begin to use meter - to keep that advantage with any opening you get.
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I know people are really upset that the US lost, but get over yourselves. It’s a game and you don’t have to play it if losing hurts your feelings or makes you think poorly of yourself. Your ego is in the way of your progress, I promise you.
Not about this. It’s about Derperine XFanything + Phoenix as a scare tool in making your opponent waste meter.
Tokido played Phoenix/DPh for the most part as characters not needing XF, and did it well.
He spent meters and XF before Dark Phoenix to get inside Justin’s head.
And it worked.
EDIT: On the Revelations side, Phoenix vs Phoenix teams keeps meter building honest and tactical, see Viscant vs FChamp. Still herp derp Phoenix mirrors.
Hey now that’s not nice. Why does everyone forget Canada? Y’all hurting mah feelings.
3rd phoenix major in a ROW might I add.
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On simple words: Justin vs Combofiend Final Round XIV all over again…
To get inside his head? He used X-Factor to turn Wolverine throws into kills on Justin’s only threat, Wolverine. There was nothing “psychological” about it - it was the right thing to do. Against Tokido, Justin never once made anything happen with his 2nd or 3rd characters after Wolverine died.
And Tokido used meter once he pulled ahead to seal his wins because he knew Phoenix wouldn’t be needed. It was keeping the advantage rather than sitting on the meter.
Yeah there was no getting in J.Wong’s head. He had a character that acn kill 2 characters easily in the front. And a character that can kill off a million characters if he didn’t use his XF in the back or turns your team into a 4 character team as long as you get 5 bars. There’s no strategy there outside of the character select screen. You lose at the character select screen due to odds.
How anyone thinks that having to think differently to beat Phoenix is a coherent complaint is beyond me.
You’re missing the point because you’re so mad about Phoenix. Justin was winning that series in every way you can measure until he dropped that kill combo on Wolverine and then fell apart after that.
And of course Phoenix is going to look like a cake-walk when it’s mostly just watching her beast on Tron anchors without X-Factor.
Justin had a lose-lose situation.
- If Tokido’s Wolvie caught Justin’s in a combo --> XF1 would take him out AND his second character. So it would be 3vs1, with usually Tron as anchor. /game
- If Justin caught Tokido’s Wolvie in a combo, he’d kill with XF1. Fine. --> XF3 Dark Phoenix wouldn’t be far behind. And Justin would have lost XF and get derped out by XF3 Dark Phoenix. /game
Justin could never make anything happen once his Wolverine was gone because Tokido’s XF1 Wolverine takes out two characters in the time, not one.
Well I phrased the getting in the head part silly. Folks are right about that; bad statements, my bad?
I think there is a bigger picture then we all see.
Most of us watching the stream and spectate “pros” playing a game and think about the game. I for one don’t really care when it gets to that level because I don’t play at that level.
My point is that at that level, the game doesn’t matter. Winning matters. Why? I dunno about CEO but 1st place at Revelations SF4:AE got $10,000.
Fact: Japan got a lot of money.
That’s why Tokido is such a smart player. He plays to beat you at the character select screen and as for right now this is a game where certain characters + XF allow you to win at the select screen.
So that would be one more major before she matches the major results put up by She-Hulk, correct?
Your first point is a good one. Wolverine with XF1 does kill fast enough to get one more mix-up in on the incoming character while still juiced. It doesn’t last through the resulting combo though, just the first 1-2 hits.
IMO, Justin could have gotten around that by running Tron in the second slot. If his Wolverine gets blown up, he’s in anchor mode anyway because Justin’s entire team was Wolverine. Tokido could not have killed Tron coming in without X-Factor (which he already used) and lots of meter use. Justin could have had someone capable in the third slot to try and bring it back around having both meter and X-Factor to use.
Your second point is wrong though. Just like Tokido, Justin’s XF1 Wolverine gets a mix-up on the incoming character while still juiced. And that incoming character was Sentinel, one of the easiest ones to mix-up for Wolverine. Justin consistently got the hit on Sentinel and tagged Phoenix in prior to when he fell apart.