Yea, and thats exactly why clockwork is the WNF champion 8 weeks straight right?
that has nothing to do with what I said. I haven’t seen the entirety of enough WNF’s and see exactly where and why he’s getting beat. Plus, Phoenix is a finicky character and if your rushdown or runaway falters even one time, she’s dead. Using Phoenix doesn’t guarantee you any wins, even at high lvl of play. The player himself can still be beat.
I love the “snapping in Phoenix is a bad idea because she can block” counterargument.
I have a feeling you’re trying to say that Phoenix snapback is useless against anyone who knows what they’re doing. So looking at what you said above… one Xanadu match is worth more than two seasons’ worth of WNF’s with arguably a higher ratio of strong players? Just a friendly suggestion to watch the WNFs, if only for the clockw0rk vids and then lay your comments here.
FYI, his Phoenix has died to a combination of early snaps, destroying the non-Phoenix team members early, and good anti-DPh defense ± guesses. But you can tell us otherwise.
Pretty much this. Applying the pressure heavy on the two other members then snapping in her in is how Clock gets beat up early. It is usually VERY hard to beat up DPH with level 3 XF. I think the only times where we see flat out direct counters is Magneto sitting on three levels ready to Gravity Squeeze her ass and random supers like Akuma/Sentinel’s Hard Drive. I been noticing though a bit more and more on players trying to catch the teleport and then just flat out kill her there.
9/10 times clock loses its cause of snap ins, every now and then an akuma or ryu does a random full screen hyper that kills his dark phoenix, and occassionally his ammy and doom get bodied so quickly that phoenix comes in with less than 5 bars, but the bulk of the times that he has lost have all been to snap ins.
I keep saying it, no matter how much meter she has I see no reason not to snap her in. Think about it, you snap phoenix in and kill her, he raw tags out, you snap her in again and force him to face you without a lvl 3 x-factor and she seems like a lot less of an issue. Plus heaven forbid you a chip team when she is coming in cause she will die before her feet hit the ground. The mistake I hear a lot of people making is assuming they snap her in, and somehow that will deactivate her block button or something, this is a fighting game not a math equation, even if you have the perfect solution, you have to actually pull it off which will always require effort against a competent opponent.
Clock also plays extremely aggressively, it seems that he gets caught with that sort of thing a lot.
After playing XF3 Dark Phoenix for a while, I have forced myself to play a lot more patiently. People tend to go berserk and just fire everything they’ve got at me, but I have time to wait it out. It’s tough to play conservatively when people are just firing every beam they’ve got at you, but… you’ve gotta do it or you’ll lose.
Yeah he was going nuts last night. There were so many situations where he should have won but didn’t and where he shouldn’t have won but did.
And that Doom Fly combo, god damn that was nice.
I’m watching the finals right now. Here are some things I noticed
- He plays a nice Amaterasu/Doom but he still uses Dark Phoenix as crutch
- He still grinds for LV5 instead of going for safer easy mode lv5.
- Phoenix is alone too often
- He is not wiping one of their characters by using even at least 1 meter and then going for lv5
- Self-lockdown into teleport mixup is finicky compared to non-XF3 DPH w/ Doom Assist
It’s not the fact that she can block. Think about it. Phoenix is out there WITH ASSISTS. She has a 1 frame teleport coupled with an amazing fireball that she can follow with said teleport. Not only that but she has Doom with tracking missiles. Properly played, if Phoenix catches you in blockstun one time the advantage goes massively in her favor. My philosophy is, if you snap me in, I’m blowing you up, if you let me get Dark Phoenix, I’m blowing you up.
I agree. You have to at least try, but I’m saying that it’s still in Phoenix’s favor. You just lost 1 meter for only a chance at catching Phoenix but Phoenix can still slip away from you because of the tools she has. If she doesn’t tag out, she can go to town on your characters.
I’ve been telling people that but I think it’s taken a while for people to figure this out on their own. My phoenix has gotten a little bit more reserved because it’s all about covering her approach (whether by her own tools or assisted). Like I said, you have to catch them in blockstun before you even think about teleporting. Otherwise you can catch the teleport.
I’m just saying, to use the term is not without merit. Anchor in the commentary world is also synonymous with “the last thing keeping a team relevant.” Part of what I do for a living is voice over, announcement, etc. Just my two bits. I don’t think you’re confusing anyone.
So what’s the problem with snapping her in before 5 meters and XF3? That it isn’t a guaranteed dead Phoenix and it can backfire?
Clock used to do the things you listed, but it would often turn out worse for him so he switched up his style.
The way I see it you can beat Phoenix whether you snap her in or not. The snapping in is just the hopeful easy way but if you know the player is smart and doesn’t die to you snapping them in without a really good read then ur probably better off just saving the meter after 2 snaps without a kill. Knowing how to beat the XF3 D.P. strategy is stronger than anything because 80 percent of the time that’s how people die to Phoenix.
What I listed were a list of problems.
Oh just to add to the post of ideas on how to deal with phoenix, I just saw doom on this stream x-factor guard cancel into lvl 3 against her. Naturally you won’t always have a lvl 3, but I definitely think thats a legit strat(that I surprisingly hadn’t even considered) since she would have already used her x-factor and as such won’t be able to retaliate.
That’s my strat whenever I need to end a round with Doom.
I think its legit, Im sure there are some situational escapes but overall I think its a legit way of dealing with her.
Don’t be dumb about this. Half the characters he is calling anchors on air are not. Teams in MvC2 are not built that way, and the sure as hell will not be built that way in MvC3 either because aside from Dark Pheonix, there is NO character that is magically more awesome when faced against a full team by itself. Because if that were the case, the character would be better with support. You mentioned Dorm or MODOK, neither is an “anchor” by any means. One is a character is that extremely solid and you play for the assist in some teams, the other is one that needs a lot of work and will become a monster. But they are not somehow more awesome by themselves to be called that. If anything the term anchor is better suited for point characters that you play around. If you were around for MvC2, you may have played against Sentinel, Blackheart, CapCom which had Sentinel and assists control space like no other. But even then there is no Anchor on the team, its just sentinel on point with two godlike assists.
This is true of Team Combofiend; although that didn’t start as an anchor. He wanted to play three characters and Spencer just gets the shaft at last. But in his team Tasky and Spencer are just as good by themselves; so either one would be interchangable.
Just because a character is magically solid by itself does not make it an anchor. It just means that if push came to shove, that guy can still hold is on better than others, but the situation still sucks for it. If you are going into the match telling yourself that one random single character is somehow going to magically save you, things are only going to get worse for you as people get better.
No prob, silly pet peeve on my end but a lot of the times using the word anchor was not describing the situation properly. Thank you very much for the commentary you and Chen do, it makes watching significantly more enjoyable.
The only thing keeping a team relevant is the first two characters. We got the gimmick of X-factor so now you can have a cracked out third character if it comes to that. The amount of damage dealt makes it so that being alone isn’t as bad as it used to be but it still doesn’t mean that you should be playing your team with a “just in case” mentality. Saying anchors is going to give people learning about marvel as a whole the wrong idea of what’s going on with a team or of the situation. Its not that the last character is there chilling, is that it got boned when the others died.
With all due respect, despite being afforded none, I was around for Mvc2. This is not Mvc2 where 1 character does all the damage in most matches. In this fame many characters can kill in one combo. Throw in x factor which isn’t just gimmicky but for now a genuine threat and you have a last character consideration that is very real. People use x factor early generally to get rid of what the consider the biggest threat or to kill 2 characters. Who the last character is matters a lot. Calling the last character anchor or 3rd or remaining is just semantics. People that use Tron primarily as assist apparently feel that if it comes down to Tron they would have done enough damage already for her to successfully pull through. An anchors job is simply to maintain or makeup for lost ground
Are you trying to say that this game does not have characters that are favored by this comeback mechanic?
People are using the term, I think its safe to say that they are not harming themselves by doing so. It’s safe to say team of weaker,sent,phoenix. Is a team with good anchors. Why? Because they can be harder to deal with in factor lvl 3 than most. Now some teams are built with a meter hog lvl 3 in mind. If that’s what your trying to differentiate strategy wise. Fine. Stating that a character acting as anchor due to how a match progresses is hardly harmful. I can point out to many videos where certain characters have a much easier time reverse OCVing than others.
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