MvC3 SFIV KOFXIII producers mention CvS3! We want CvS2HD Online Edition and Capcom-vs-SNK-3 please!

[AgentQ]

+1 for a online cvs2 for sure and cvs3 would be nice as long at it does not look and play like ssf4 sht

[Infil]

In all fairness though, Ricky and Choi both played CvS2 on American sticks, and they were stuck on Japanese parts for this tournament (back before Ricky switched).

Another reason to be grateful for TE sticks. They put everyone on the same level as far as equipment goes… we don’t have to worry about the American vs Japanese sticks argument anymore. Playing 3SOE on my TE stick and remembering that I used to play on bulky bat top, circle-gate sticks… glad that era is over.

Anyway, as someone who only observed CvS2 from a distance, I’m pretty surprised to hear that K-groove is dominant in the game. All I ever saw in competitive play in the matches I watched was A and C. The odd K popped up… I thought they were mostly low-tier heroes.

[Return_of_Shiki]

I don’t think that match really shows that K-Groove stands up to A-Groove.
K-Groove didn’t win that match, Ricky lost the match on his own. He was fully ahead until the last 15 seconds of the match when he made 2 bad mistakes–a) dropping the CC (which you could blame on the sticks) and then b) trying to cross up Sagat after a knockdown instead of backing off and waiting out the Rage meter.
Hell, he could have done guardcrush CC at pretty much any time with Sak in round 4 and done enough damage to Sagat to carry over to the next round so that Blanka’s CC would have killed him.
And if that was C-Sagat, he wouldn’t have even had the option of waiting out the Rage meter, Sagat could have made that comeback at any time.

[The_Parry_System]

Why are people judging CvS2 based on its failure to live up to their fanboy ideal of the ULTIMATE VS GAME or whatever rather than on its own merits? Yeah the SNK characters don’t play entirely like they do in their own games; who cares? Does that make it inherently a bad game? You can’t possibly justify this attitude as anything but fanboyism.

[Shishioh]

Why are people judging CvS2 based on its failure to live up to their fanboy ideal of the ULTIMATE VS GAME or whatever rather than on its own merits? Yeah the SNK characters don’t play entirely like they do in their own games; who cares? Does that make it inherently a bad game? You can’t possibly justify this attitude as anything but fanboyism.

Here we go with the fanboy word again…like Capcom doesn’t have you morons’ brains in a damn jar on the mantle.

I guess I can’t bail just yet…

When I was on Alphaism Radio, I asked FlashMetroid why people didn’t play CVS2EO. He said the game became more imbalanced as more characters became less viable due to the loss of RC and that certain characters got 100% combos thanks to P Groove buffs such as Geese. RC is still beatable, the special move has the properties of a roll so you can throw it.

Essentially, EO was a worse game than arcade CVS2. On a different tangent, it would have made sense if Capcom and SNK collaborated to make CVS2 a “Capcom vs. SNK” game if it weren’t for the fact that it wasn’t in their contract. All they did was have some contractual rights to each other’s IP and competed against each other to make a better game, there was no share in the profits. That’s partially why SNK tanked in 2000 since they couldn’t get revenue from Capcom’s project. If anything, that’s what Capcom is doing exactly now with Namco for SFxT. SFxT is still an SF game with their interpretations of Tekken characters and some of Tekken’s subsystems like TTT’s health bar system and certain character properties such as Kazuya’s dash going under projectiles. It’s no different in CVS2 as Capcom interpreted sidesteps, rolls, hops, running, and other character specific attacks and properties such as Benimaru’s Far D becoming Far HK and getting Guile-like sobat properties or Terry being made into a footsie/poke character than rushing in with hops and a cr.B, cr.A xx df.C xx Special hitconfirm.

If anything, the SNK characters play like themselves within the context of a SF game. One may say “Vice isn’t Vice if she can’t combo into a command throw,” but she has many other aspects that makes her the “Vice” in KOF games. She has cr.LK, cr.LK, cr.LP xx qcb+P just like in KOF, great st.MP like she has Far C, and have a really strong ground game and ability to anti-air well just like in KOF. Then she gets neato buffs for being in an SF/CVS2-unique system as she’s able to tick throw, zoning with a larger variety of normals, granted a better jump and hop arc, get that new follow up for qcb+P so there is more purpose in using it in the corner or not and have more diversity in options, and among other things. So it’s still mainly a SF game, but there is still much semblance to SNK-esque features that got a bit of tweaks just as SFxT is doing with Tekken characters and features.

On the flip side, Capcom did add in those SNK subsystems into their game to an extent to make it still a SF game that has some SNK influence. If anything, what stuff such as the N Groove and K Groove introduced to the SF series was KOF style air footsies involving hops. Although hops lost their ability to do the same sort of high and low pressure as in CVS2, being able to zone like a turtle Iori in 98 or as Benimaru general does exists in CVS2. There is a new form to approach and retreat while covering the “hop space” (near most character’s heads and within the “Standing Jab/Far Strong” sort of range and space) all while remaining in the SF context of grounded, walking footsies. The answer to hops, much like in KOF, is to hit it with a Standing Jab/Far Strong/Far Fierce/or whatever covers that space. Another feature is that Capcom obviously took note that certain Heavy normal attacks in KOF have about 2-4 frames of start up and took that concept and went fucking nuts in CVS2. Attacks such as Cammy’s Far HK, Sagat’s st.HP & cr.HP, Blanka’s cr.HP became KOF style fast (although it’s usually Close Heavy normals in KOF that were this fast, so Capcom went overboard in an interesting fashion) heavy normals, while returning SNK/KOF character also retain such speed such as Iori’s cl.HP/cl.C. So this game just isn’t a plain SFAlpha game with SNK characters, it’s a new type of SF game that brings in SNK systems to expand SF’s own grounded footsie game.

Then when looking further upon the game, because of the newly expanded footsie game and longer hitconfirms that characters generally have, quite a few characters almost feel like they’re designed in a SNK/KOF fashion.

One example I like is K Groove Ken. He hitconfirms like a KOF character with his cr.LK x2/3, st.LK xx hcf+LK string and cr.LK hitconfirms into super, has a hop and good standing normals for KOF-esque footsies, cancelable sweep like quite a number of KOF characters have (I know he had this in SF before even KOF was made but having it does influence of how he “feels” as a KOF character), and gaining new moves like that rdp+K that feels more like Kyo’s R.E.D. Kick than Sean’s from 2i/3s.

So there was some re-imagining of some Capcom/SF characters while others took a brand new face such as Kyosuke, Maki, and Eagle for they haven’t been in a traditional 2D fighting game beforehand. Sometimes, I even see Daidouraku do running cr.LP pressure in N-Groove as if it was KOF or something. The game is what it is, a SF game expanded with SNK footsies with reinterpretations of not only SNK characters and systems but of Capcom’s as well, all while retaining that main SF style and feel. Capcom didn’t have a true partnership with SNK in the contract, they were competing and making separate products. Maybe if they did a true collaboration, they could have made the so-called true “Capcom vs. SNK” game but that didn’t happen.

I’m not saying that a “Capcom vs. SNK” game shouldn’t happen. I’d like to see 6 button Capcom Grooves against 4 Button SNK Grooves. SNK Grooves could retain mobility and gain new angles of spacing and control thanks to hops/hyper hops/running/rolling/sidesteps while the Capcom grooves have better grounded control with a 6 Button movelist (anti-hop/hyper hop), larger throw range (anti-roll/sidestep), faster walk speeds than SNK Grooves, and etc.

I’d like to see the ability to combo into command throws with SNK Grooves, but any groove to “play against” an SNK Groove would gain the ability to alternate guard, but not the SNK Groove itself. Let’s say there’s a revamped C and N groove. N Groove would be able to combo into command throws and what not, but since it’s playing against C Groove it can’t Alternate Guard and C Groove SF Style tick throws would body N Groove. On the other hand, C Groove would have the ability to alternate guard to save itself from N Groove/KOF-like okizeme. If C Groove were to play against A Groove in this “new game”, neither of the grooves in this match would have alternate guard and it’ll play out mostly like a SF match with tick throws and footsie-style throw punish against whiffed normals. If S Groove were to play against N Groove, both grooves would have the ability to alternate guard against each other and play like a SNK/KOF game with setting up tick throw with command grabs, beating tick throws with alternate guarding, and beating out alternate guarding with staggered low attacks and overheads.

Back to the 4 Button system, I’d like to see a true SNK-style Normal attack movelist for Capcom characters and gaining new attack strings such as being able to do st.C > Command Normal or cr.B, cr.A > Command Normal, and be truly designed for KOF. On the flipside, I’d like to see optimized movelists and new normals for a 6 Button system to SNK characters that didn’t have beyond 4 Button movelists and play like great SF characters with strong ground games and have a new interpretation of ground control.

Personally I’d say this game could work out and that’s what I’d like to see with CVS3 or the sorts. If Capcom collaborates with SNK again does the deal they had in the past where they’re just competing against each other again, I doubt my ideal game would be made since they’d most probably try to create something either very familiar or totally new since both their products would probably be the same if they both tried to make the kind of game I wanted and that wouldn’t do too well for business. If they truly came together to make a single game, I’d really want to see CVS3 kinda like the way I imagined it. Two different schools of ground based footsies, but still have the abilities and strengths to balance each other out in a match.

I want to play SF against KOF. Other times I want to play KOF against SF. I want to play SF/Capcom characters in a KOF style but against an SF style system. I want to play KOF characters in an SF/Capcom style system against a KOF style system. Maybe I want to play KOF characters against KOF characters while we both have SF sytle systems. Vice Versa, all SF/Capcom characters in KOF systems playing against each other. It’ll be a fun mix and match while it all still works out.

So basically, you want KOF vs SF, am I right? Then lets just take the rest of those non-SF/SNK characters out of the equation because your game clearly only caters to them. And your Vice example didn’t really brighten anyone’s day around here. She’s still bad. Just like 85% of the SNK side.

They really should have saved the CvS/SvC moniker for something a little more…Vs series like. That way, they really wouldn’t have a reason to give us outdated versions of any of the characters as the game would be more insane and chaotic.

[The_Parry_System]

Here we go with the fanboy word again…like Capcom doesn’t have you morons’ brains in a damn jar on the mantle

Mindblowing idea: it is possible to like both SF and KOF and judge any given game on its own merits, not on how much it honours your precious series’ characters or whatever.

[Laban]

So basically, you want KOF vs SF, am I right? Then lets just take the rest of those non-SF/SNK characters out of the equation because your game clearly only caters to them. And your Vice example didn’t really brighten anyone’s day around here. She’s still bad. Just like 85% of the SNK side.

They really should have saved the CvS/SvC moniker for something a little more…Vs series like. That way, they really wouldn’t have a reason to give us outdated versions of any of the characters as the game would be more insane and chaotic.

Go tell Chari to stop playing Vice. If you want Vs series then go play Vs series. I just want some sort of ground-based, walk-type footsie fighter as Marvel vs. already covers the “anime fighter” archetype. Man, I’m about done with this thread. The SNK “fans” are just getting more and more annoying.

[Shishioh]

Go tell Chari to stop playing Vice. If you want Vs series then go play Vs series. I just want some sort of ground-based, walk-type footsie fighter as Marvel vs. already covers the “anime fighter” archetype. Man, I’m about done with this thread. The SNK “fans” are just getting more and more annoying.

Now you’re being self righteous and ignorant in front of these clowns. The same thing I’m supposedly doing. Does it feel good to eat scraps from their table?

I could get some footage of people playing Guile and Akuma in SvC Chaos and show people how good they were in that game and nobody would believe me nor care to watch for that matter. I’m just doing the same to them. You can’t let people have their way all the time. They get accustomed to being the boss of shit and when things start to change, they get upset and start busting out the pitchforks and torches. Such as the backlash that a new, INSPIRED, collaboration between these two companies could bring. God forbid that the two WORK TOGETHER!!! That can’t happen. It musn’t happen!!!

Mindblowing idea: it is possible to like both SF and KOF and judge any given game on its own merits, not on how much it honours your precious series’ characters or whatever.

I thought I made it clear that some Capcom characters got fucked as well. If you can read, which seems mind-boggling to say the least, you could see that. 3rd Strike groove was garbage. Zangief, Kyosuke, and Balrog were among the few Capcom characters who just looked like they were deer caught in the headlights.

I’m judging the game by itself, which is not even good enough to be called a post-Alpha Alpha like some want to call it. Alpha 1, 2, and 3 were fast, graphically stunning for their time, and most certainly fun. Not slow, ugly, and boring like CvS2. At least CvS1 knew it’s place and only pitted KOF vs SF for the most part outside of Nakoruru and Morrigan.

[HAV]

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Vice doesn’t suck. Bottom line.

[BiGGDaddyCane]

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Foreal I just want CVS2 released for the PS Network and XBLA with good netcode (Prayfully GGPO). Then once Capcom is ready in the future and hopefully KOFXIII becomes successful SNK would be more interested in partnering up in again to have CVS3 in production. That would be lovely if that could happen.

[Krimzon]

Vice doesn’t suck. Bottom line.

Before I saw that, I thought the videos were suppose to show that C groove ain’t as good as K vs A and was dumbfounded.

People insisting this game sucks because certain characters don’t play exactly how they would like are being petty. Same with roll cancels, had capcom declared that it was an intentional subsystem , then apparently it does not suck as much? If a large portion in determining whether the game is good or not is being partly based on whether something in the game was deliberate or not, then it seems like one is just looking for reasons to dislike the game.

cvs2 EO for psn, make!

[starkilled]

I have no clue wtf I am talking abut.

I had a long post written out for you yesterday but I realize your attention span isn’t too great since we started talking about Iroi and you went off on some other shit I care nothing for. You failed to answer anything I asked and throwing wolf tickets left and right. You come off as mad ignorant and I have never read anything so stupid on this forum all the years I’ve been here. Seriously, Shut the fuck up, no one wants to read your mindless bullshit rants and rages. It amazes me how you claim you don’t like this game yet you are in here spouting off all that hot noise. Get the fuck outtta here.

[rukawa_kaede]

by watching those videos hav posted reminds me why I disliked the game so much, it’s so sloooooow pokes are top tier in the game. The way vice moves compare to her KOF counterpart it’s like she lost a leg seriously. Good matches though.

[JIVE_TURKEY_JONES]

I would love a re-release of CvS2 via DLC Live/PSN.

I would love to see a CvS3 as well. If CvS3 were to happen, I hope it doesn’t go into development any time soon. I want Capcom vs SNK 3. Not Casuals vs Scrub 3. Ono stated, it seems like the path to take in the future is to split the games into a casual series, and a hardcore series. They aren’t there yet. Anything made soon, or going into development soon, is still riding the wave of “we gotta get dat dolla from joe casual” fix that Capcom is on right now. Make CvS3 for the hardcore fighting game fans please.

I’m not naive. Capcom is a business first. At the very end, it’s about the bottom line. And I bet you their board memebers are wondering why they didn’t take this casual gamer friendly approach a decade ago. (seeing those $$$$$$ now lol) However, with Ono stating what he did… I feel like asking for CvS3 to be more along side the higher complexity or hardcore side of fighting games, isn’t being naive. Yes, it was very financially smart for Capcom to take the approach they did with SFIV. But Ono states there could be a chance for us to have both worlds in the future.

–Jive

[Gigas_Breaker]

He sounds crazy. Like he honestly believes that Capcom fans are keeping the SNK fan down and that any SNK fan that claims he likes CvS2 is selling out or degrading himself or something instead of simply liking the game for what it is. It’s just pure anger and emotion in his posts.

[Return_of_Shiki]

Same with roll cancels, had capcom declared that it was an intentional subsystem , then apparently it does not suck as much?

Yes it would.

[SSJ_Sonikku]

Hell ya, I sooooo want CvS3! After UMvC3 and SFxT, this is what Capcom should do next (aside from new Darkstalkers).

[cygnus]

i voted no. unfortunately no one can stop it from happening. im sorry cvs2 players

[Shishioh]

I was too dumb to read between the lines. Now I cry.

Ain’t that the truth. Why don’t you go play your slow, old, ugly, CvS 2 and let other people who actually want a NEW game converse about it? Oh, would you like a HD version of that turd on your TV as well? Better talk to Ono, son.

[Gigas_Breaker]

Ain’t that the truth. Why don’t you go play your slow, old, ugly, CvS 2 and let other people who actually want a NEW game converse about it? Oh, would you like a HD version of that turd on your TV as well? Better talk to Ono, son.

There are tons of new games coming out. A port would be handled by Iron Galaxy or Backbone or somebody who don’t make new games anyway. It wouldn’t be at the expense of new games at all.

But whatever dude CvS2 fans are England and you are William Wallace.

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In reality though, you’re just Mel Gibson.

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