I pretty much agree with everything you said about Wesker. The dude is nuts and doesn’t need meter to be good. I use to think he was one of the 3 or 4 best characters in the game until I have ran into some pretty harsh matchups. My buddy plays a mean Magneto and that dude can give Wesker SERIOUS problems. I still think he is one of the best but not necassarily top.
zero also gives wesker problems
I think my tier list should be on the Original Post of the thread instead of that guys.
Sent isn’t top simply b/c he loses to Ammy and Phoenix for free.
Dorm is good, but needs assists and meter. Same can be said for many characters. His normals also are pretty slow and he’s susceptable to teleports.
What, exactly, are weskers bad matchups? The only matchup I don’t really like much is doom b/c of hidden missiles and how many options he’s got to defend against teleports. (both supers, photon shot, launcher, etc)
lol. that’s really funny.
Imo tier lists based on characters are kinda out of place in a team-based game. It’s hard to just talk about characters; Arthur on his own is kinda ass, but give him a get-off-me assist and an assist to help him take up extra space, and he can be really good. At some point a couple years down the line when teams have started to solidify, I think we should shift tier discussions to them.
Right now I think the strongest team overall is STS, Combofiend’s Shehulk/Task/Spencer. It can play offense with 3 of the most damaging characters, it can zone or play defense with Task assist or Task out or Spencer out, it has unblockables, everything DHCs into everything else, it has one of the best anchors in the game, etc. I think it can pretty much do everything. I built almost the same team at the start, Shehulk/Doom/Spencer. Task is probably stronger, but I think the optimization of that team might be Shehulk/Magneto/Spencer.
The other issue with tiers in this game is that characters play different roles depending where they are on teams. For example, you never see Chun Li on point at high levels, but you see her pretty often as anchor, because in lv3xf she becomes kinda ridiculous. Does that mean Chun is good overall, or that she’s xf or nothing?
For individual characters, I agree with the guy who wondered how many majors Shehulk will have to win before she gets credit. We’re currently sitting at two out of two, and at the second one the finals was Shehulk-Shehulk! Combofiend and Justin are the two best players in the world right now, but that shouldn’t take away from Shehulk, it should make you go, “Oh, the two best players in the world, including one who isn’t afraid to pick top tiers, both use the same character on point? That’s pretty wow.”
My own tier list as of March 16, 2001 (that I fully expect to be unrecognizably bad in just a month or two):
Can win or has won tournaments largely on its back (ie not just as an assist)
–Akuma, Ammy, Chun, Dante, Dormammu, Magneto, Phoenix, Sentinel, Shehulk, Spencer, Storm, Taskmaster, Wesker, Wolverine, Zero
Can get far or has gotten far in tournaments
–Chris, Doom, Felicia, Hsienko, Hulk, Iron Man, Modok, Morrigan, Skrull, Spiderman, Trish, X23
Can’t get far or hasn’t yet gotten far in tournaments (doesn’t necessarily mean they’re bad, could just be that no one has made them work yet)
–Arthur, CapAm, Haggar, Joe, Ryu, Thor, Viper
But again, Arthur with Mags-disruptor and Doom-missiles or Tron-flame or something can become good. I like the idea of ranking assists. Top 10 right now imo:
- Sent drones
- Tron flame
- Doom missiles
- Chun legs
- Akuma tatsu
- Mags disruptor
- Task horizontal
- Doom rocks
- Task up
- Morrigan/Dog meter
Haggar lariat is hugely overrated I think. It’s easily duckable, very easily punishable because it stays out so long, hurts your character, sometimes has trouble leading to combos, and carries the additional cost of requiring that you play Haggar. I would have had Wesker low shot at #11.
As some people are doing, as a Zero player I am going to post his pros and cons so people can know better:
Cons:
- Very low health. Most characters of 800-850 health get killed in one combo with a DHC.
- Needs Sougenmu (Power-Up) to keep up in a firefight, if at all.
- Zero needs an assist, preferably a beam, to cover him fullscreen while getting in, due to his air-dash having low start-up and his command dashes are unsafe.
Pros:
- Amazing mix-up/reset game, and with an assist is even deadlier.
- With Sougenmu activated, Zero can become a meter-user instead of a battery, using many traps (like the ones seen on the front page) and almost unblockable setups with Sougenmu alone.
- Doesn’t need any specific assists to do high damage, because any assists that hits allows Zero to continue a combo with his div kick. Also, his normal BnB builds 1.5 bars and can snap-back even to the very end of a combo making him good against Phoenix teams.
- Great comeback potential with X-Factor because X-Factor+Power-Up is very hard to deal with, sometimes unavoidable if you get hit by a fireball.
Tiers right now should be split up into: 1) characters that we’ve seen fleshed out to at least some of their potential and 2) characters we haven’t seen played to their potential yet. To say that X character is bad because no one good has played them yet is pretty short-sighted and can cause people to say, “Well X character sucks based on this tier list, so I won’t play them.”
Hugh Mad.
Doom, Magneto, Ammy, Phoenix, Wolverine are a couple. I feel like characters that can lock Wesker down give him issues. Some more serious than others (Magneto being the scariest imo).
Wesker might be top but top is going to be pretty crowded if that is the case.
Spencer is also like the only character that has a standing overhead he can combo off without X-factor
I think Akuma and Jill too. Maybe Taskmaster too, dunno.
Taskmaster doesn’t have ground overheads.
She-Hulk can also combo off her overhead and probably others.
lol this thread is hillarious.
You don’t even have Hsien-Ko’s super armor assist on there.
Also.
Phoenix = God tier.
After seen in videos, and played the game a lot…
Tier SS (Its a joke this tier, then the real ones):
Dark Phoenix
Tier S (not-god):
Phoenix, Wesker, Dante, Ammy.
Tier A:
Sentinel, Storm, She-Hulk, Magneto*, Zero*, Taskmaster.
Tier B+:
Spencer*, Akuma, Tron*, Dormmammu, Doom, Wolverine*, Chun-Li*.
Tier B:
MODOK*, Hulk, Trish*, Deadpool*, X-23*, Spidey.
Tier C:
Chris*, Thor, Cap, Felicia, H-KO*, Morrigan*, Skrull*.
Tier D:
Haggar*, Arthur*, Joe, Viper, Ryu*.
Cant be rated still:
Jill, Shuma.
*= They can change place in tiers in the future.
“This is a created Tier list after playing a lot on MVC3, and watching videos, seen live games, etc. If you dissagree, you are in all the right to make it…”
Viper is way too good to be D, she has a attack that goes through all non-hyper projectiles and crumples them for a combo screen-range
1st of all I have to say I have a soft spot in my heart for tier discussions…
With that said character wise and not team wise in this game a character needs to be able to do one of two things REALLY well to be top or high tier and that’s dish out a ton of damage or open people up, which IMO just translates to having a really soild tri dash or teleport.
Health is like the sec best thing in the game.
Sent is top because he can kill you for making on mistake and his assist makes every character’s pressure viable not almost every character, but every single character in the game can benefit tons by having sent as a assist…think about that.
Phoenix is good… Top not so much, when you can run from a character with teleports, flight, homing missiles, traps and a tridash for 30 sec and not get hit, it’s time to reconsider if there top.
Dark Phoenix IMO is only better than phoenix because of her traps and projectiles on her normals. If she’s not xfactor i don’t think she’s top either. A but not S however x factored dph is S and the most dangerous character in the game by far.
Mags IMO is the only true top tier character great on point for dhc and a useful assist. He can do it all pretty much and has decent stamina.
Storm falls right behind mags…
Think of it like this, imagine if j Wong used MSS… It would be pretty free.
I’ll write more later… Back to work for now.
Edit: as far as the best team in the game that’s easy.
MSS.
A team-based game is going to develop team-based tiers. Often a character alone is not enough to justify whether or not the character is high or low, especially when match-ups come into play.
Many of you are arguing whether or not we should be discussing tiers but the truth of the matter is we are seeing the game develop massively within a month and tiers are showing. Now it’s an early state of the game and if this game has as much depth and we potentially believe it has, we will undoubtedly see a lot of changes. That said I think it’s unfair to assess single characters without considering teams.
Just my two cents.
Out of the top of my head Chun-Li, Akuma and Viper also have it.
idk man, i can see why you wouldn’t rank ko’s armored assist in the top 10 for assists, while it does provide good lock-down, it has a very real danger in that it’s on the screen and vulnerable to damage for a good amount of time and as such runs the risk of eating a hyper for it. just last night i was playing against a hsienko/task/spencer team that was abusing the hell out of that assist, and all it ever took was either 1 good read with HSF or zero’s level 3 to polish her off.
You can’t lock wesker down
pushblock teleport he gets out for free…
and lets not forget he can counter projectiles
I believe Phoenix’s overhead is chain-cancellable. Jill can also get respectable damage out of hers.
Ok, so I’m seeing a lot of people generally agree on some of the higher characters, Dante, Wesker, Mags, Sent
But I’m seeing some discrepancy on Wolvie, Somewhat on Task, She-Hulk, and Spencer, among others.
I’ve been using spencer for sometime, and I definitely agree with upper mid/high tier, probably not top though.
Task is super versatile as a character, has some of the best normals, a great otg Hyper, and some counters. I feel like once the counters get fleshed out, he and Wesker will both be considered better than they are now, because they both can do some crazy things. Projectile counters especially. I can see how Mags ranks above him, but I feel uncomfortable saying by much, probably just from gravity squeeze and ridiculous start up for disrupter.
And I don’t know wolvie or shulkie well enough to comment.