I think most people dropped Ammy because the only thing they could ever do with her was H, HHHHH, S, HHH xx qcf H, S HHH or H, HHHHH, S, HHH xx Super. The people who still play her are really good at abusing Slow, Paper 50/50s on entrance, actually using Paper in general, Sword Combos, actually using Counters, abusing her throw range, etc.
Hammer hits behind Dante too so it really depends on Wolv’s spacing plus Dante recovers hella fast after a hammer so again he may or may not be able to get a hit in. It really really depends on when Wolverine did the slash and when Dante hammered. It’s really just a scare tactic to get Wolverine to calm the fuck down though.
Paper is so fucking good for lockdown/space control/traps. Smh. SO FUCKING GOOD.
Indeed. I am still shocked execution heavy players haven’t incorporated here at high play yet. I really want to pick her up but I am unsure about her and Zero on the same team. It’d be two tiny hit box, priority heavy, versatile characters but both are pixies XD.
Depends on what assist really. Berserker Slash with Tatsu assist, nope, Dante will blow them both up. Wolverine’s best bet is a projectile/beam assist and like EmblemLord said, Dante will still hit Wolverine, but the beam may hit Dante afterwards.
Dante’s Crystal also stops Berserker Slash cold. Hits assists as well.
I see what you did there.
What do you guys think about Tron? Besides the assist obviously.
I played some point Tron today and i’m rethinking what I thought about her being an assist character solely.
Her normal grabs are just silly and lead to full combo>DHC glitch> dead character anywhere on the screen. Her corner game is pretty scary with her command grab(it’s kinda slow though) and it leads to full combos and DHC glitch as well. J.H is like so good. You can set up ambiguous crossups and unblockables easily with the right assist and confirm easily into a dead character.
I feel like she doesn’t deal too well with hardcore rushdown(who does…) and loses really bad to Magneto.
All in all one of the characters who benefits most from having her partners still alive as she can extend her combos, both start and end the dhc glitch and set up good command grab/low mix-up.
She’s kinda subpar as an anchor though.
Also I like how gustaff fire doesn’t affect hitstun at all. I was surprised I could get Trish’s DHC glitch setup to work from a gustaff fire.
So whoever said ammy counters wolverine is very wrong. I love the wolverine vs ammy matchup because of my assist, but really any decent projectile assist and wolvie can take a stab at mixup and if it fails just back off and repeat. Paper does not stop berzerker slash as wolverine just needs to position so that his invic frames go through it. Also c.l only beats crossup berzerker slashes and if you miss time it at all its a free combo (realize wolvie’s have slashes other than heavy). If you try and use counter it can work, but wolverine can berzerker charge for safety or just have the beam hit first and in both cases ammy eats probably a 100% combo.
The same situation goes for crystals on dante, wolverine can easily get around that projectile, especially since you have to preemptively use it. In regards to the hammer, it can work but it has alot of riskes involved and the assist can be spaced to start further away so you can’t hit both. Also if your going airborne you give up your anti divekick ability so wolverine should try and get above you for a divekick into mixup situation.
The thing that gives wolverine the most trouble is either other rushdown characters who get on the offence first, or defensive assists like tron/hagar that take away tools for wolverine. I don’t think there is any character who can solo reliably stop wolverine + good assist, meaning the only way you can fight against good wolverines is with some combination. On the other hand wolverine can catch alot of characters (or character combinations) with berzerker slash/berzerker charge shenanigans solo, this is a big reason wolvie is top tier.
^ Wolvie has a set of tools, ammy has a set of tools
Ammy’s tools counter wolvie’s tools
If you are comparing Wolvie with an assist than you must also compare the other character with an assist.
Ammy rushdown with Tatsu or projectile assist is very hard to stop. obviously Ammy isn’t just going to sit there mashing C.L and throwing paper to counter Wolvie. What I’m pointing out is that besides her great rushdown ability she has a wide varity of tools to counter wolverine.
Ammy Vs. Wolverine match is in Ammy’s favor 6-4
the main issue with tron although its a large one is that she is so obvious , its suprisingly hard to hit somebody with her
Last thing Wolv wants to do is dive at Dante. Dante has too many random things that can beat that. Hammer being one of them. He’s better off playing the ground game with a solid assist backing him up.
Well I disagree with your evaluation of the ammy/wolvie matchup. I don’t feel that ammy’s tools counter wolverines tools. She has no reliable way to stop berzerker slash and wolverine 1 shots ammy while ammy doesn’t one shot wolvie (without starting with more than 1 meter in a real game situation though i’m sure someone will link some specific team combo or something to try and prove me wrong).
Those are the exact same reasons why people think Wolverine, Taskmaster, and Wesker are so damn good. They have low risk, high reward, not to much of a execution barrier. In Marvel, one of the most important things about this game is having low risk,easy hit confirms, less strict punishment for dropping combos… Meanwhile most of the higher executed characters are going to be deemed lower tier because they have high risk, high execution, and little shown reward.
@snadmonkey: What I got from your post was Ammy has counters against Wolvie that work, except when they don’t work.
Am I the only one that thinks Arthur can body Wesker without Gold Armor?
Wesker’s gun loses to lance and Wesker’s teleport isn’t fast enough to past through his projectiles. Also, Arthur’s range is outstanding and can punish stupid shit Wesker does… From what I see off course. Maybe Im not seeing something when it comes to the Arthur vs. Wesker match-up… Of course Wesker beats that motherfucker in the corner (everybody does lol) but outside of the corner, I think he is grass…
Downward gun shot. Assists such as Tron or Doom covering the approach, and of course the simple fact that Arthur can’t cover himself from anybody approaching with a superjump. That good enough for you?
… what?
not even going into depth, look at the two characters mobility, and all of Arthur’s projectiles become moot when you get in on him.
Yes.
Dare I suggest that Wolverine should get a health nerf? I don’t understand why a character with a hitbox as small as his gets 950k health while Zero and Ammy gets 800k, Chun Li (850k), Felicia (875k), Jill (850k), Storm (850k) and X23 (825k). Increasingly I am struggling to see the point of using them when you can use Wolverine.