Sam Edge says hi.
It does but compared to like Doom Beam, Hidden Missles or Repulsor Blast it’s not particularly amazing either. The best aspect of it is that it’s the fastest OTG in the game and that it hits low for unblockables. Which is good but it’s not like Wesker’s gun shot assist keeps characters from moving around the screen. You can’t really use it if the person takes to the air and in general outside of unblockables or combos it just ends up being another assist that will put Wesker in unnecessary trouble. It’s good but I wouldn’t really call it great. If it did a bunch of chip or didn’t lose to any aerial movement at all it wouldn’t be so bad. Best it does is just help out characters that can’t OTG but a lot of the good cast can self OTG any way or can do without it.
The assist is best off for not so hot characters that need it just to get anything like Chun Li. Like the assist helps characters like Dormammu or Dante but they’re certainly not dying without it. It would be more imperative for those characters to have a projectile or reversal assist protecting them than anything. Their mix up and pressure is still solid even if Wesker isn’t helping them shoot people in the feet.
Who just calls out Samurai Edge anyway? Nobody that’s who. You only call it when you’ve scored a knockdown or have an unblockable situation lining up. Even in the event Wesker somehow did get punished, he has 1.1 million hp.
Luckily this game allows you to have 3 character teams, so you could have Wolverine on point, Doom for plasma assist and Wesker for Samurai Edge. The best of all three worlds.
Yea Dante is so dumb but I love it. If Capcom didn’t intentionally want to make him one of the best then their balancing crew needs to be fired lol. Were they like “hey maybe if we give him low health and make SOME of his normals a little slower he will be fair!!”
I have said this 1000000 times and ill say it again, the cheapness is what makes this game a blast.
There are many better combo extending assists than Barrage because they’re useful for more than extending combos.
Assist Berserker Slash only crosses up visually. Remember you block the point character. If you want it for ambiguous hits after a teleport, you’re better off with Felicia Rolling Buckler since it hits low and travels like 3/4 screen.
Samurai Edge is good as far as lows go. It leaves them standing, OTGs and fast. It’s still a niche assist, not universally godlike like Drones, Tron Flame, Lariat, all of Doom’s assists, etc.
I didn’t say Berserker Barrage and Berserker Slash were the best, I said they were decent. 
not to nit pick, but he said “assists” not assist. so his statement still stand XD
i’m still standing with my theory that the reason dante is good, is simply because he’s just so fucking popular. like c’mon, who didn’t see the obvious gold star treatment when we found out he has 40 plus moves?
Still, the obvious strongest teams at the moment are obviously:
Wesker / X / Phoenix (godlike team)
Wolverine or Magneto/Sentinel/ Akuma (no weaknesses team)
She-Hulk or Dante/ X / Tron (Jwong hi !)
Amaterasu / X / X
X / X / Sentinel
DHC Full team
Good luck finding a counter to these.
Im gonna put this out there again and maybe someone will answer me with actions not words.
Im still not seeing how Ammy is so top tier.
Now I would be inclined to say that maybe I havent encountered many good dogs yet, but come on its been a few months now and 5000 matches.
I believe that the Ammy is exceptional amongst her piers but just not GDLK, someone send me an invite and destroy me with Ammy… Plz
5.000 matches is not that much to be honest… That’s why you don’t see Amaterasu as top tier.
Also, offline or online ?
Online. Indiana doesnt really have an offline scene.
So riddle solved. But I want someone to give me the bid-ness with Ammy. thats whats im saying.
BTW: 5000 of anything is a decent number.
IDK if could have played anymore if I broke up with my GF, lol
qft, this is exactly how i think about it as well. balance doesnt make things boring, PACE does. slow pace = boring. fast pace = exciting. 2 mags with psylock assist is COMPLETELY balanced yet it isnt boring at all. unless mirrors bore people cause seeing 2 characters try and do the same exact thing to each other is BS.
homogenity is both good and bad. ive used it as a catchall for “bad” in the past, but it really isnt when instituted well.
for the life of me i cannot understand capcoms continuing decision to try and force tiers by deliberately making certain characters good and yet making others obviously not so good (dan and phoenix not withstanding, they are special cases) but why make gen a bad character on purpose? that shit is stupid. why make sagat always a dominator? also stupid. same goes for mags.
i’d like it if every character were “A” tier more or less, where skill and time put into a character matter more than the tier list. high damage is one way of compressing tiers, but it does it in a random way. i’d rather capcom actually go out and try to make a game while balanced while also achieving a fast pace… thats the game i want to play. basically ssf4 on a faster speed and then take out all the already cracked out characters… LOL.
-dime
You may want to test some of this stuff before going through the trouble to do all that math. There is an 10-17-frame gap between Thunderbolts done consecutively, depending on how far away Dante is (smaller gap if he’s closer). 22-29 frame gap if you do Thunderbolt -> Flight -> Thunderbolt. In Level 3 XFactor, the gap for TB -> TB is smaller, but it’s still more than enough to escape simply by holding up-back - even if you’re a huge Sentinel. You can jump out every time.
I think it’s worth mentioning that Dante’s big weakness is that if the other character (doesn’t matter who) ever gets in on him, he’s at a serious disadvantage unless he has a Tron or Haggar backing him up. His fastest normals are 1.5x to 2x slower than everyone else’s, and he has no quickly accessible invincible moves to turn to outside of his level 3. There’s literally no reason to not press buttons against Dante when up close since the worst that could happen is you get thrown (which he gets nothing out of, outside of risky assist calls while you’re at point blank). Dante has to jump, backdash, or block/pushblock in that situation. Basically, he has to take your mixup since the threat of him getting counter hit if he presses a button is so high.
Change your Wesker/X/Phoenix to Wesker/Beam-Bro/Phoenix and I believe you. I guess we call this Team Viscant now. Wesker with some kind of multi-hitting beam makes his left/right game stupid-good. I don’t like Mags’ beam in that team though. I like Task or Doom best in that X.
Some of your other, uh, “godlike” setups crack me up. X/X/Sentinel? Only people who just purchased the game are getting shit on by XF3 Sent. Ammy/X/X is, uh, a little bold. Good luck winning with Ammy/Joe/Cap. I’m not sure if you’re being serious, or if all of your losses are either robo- or mutt-related, and you’re venting a bit.
well X/X/sent isnt godlike just cause of xf3 sent, its because of drones assist for 2 offensive characters plus xf3 sent.
probably 70% of its strength is in drones assist.
-dime
Contrary to this statement, xxx/xxx/Phoenix is beyond GDLK. Trollface
Wolverine/Zero/Sent is so unfair… So many ragequits when i ran that team.
No such thing as cheap in fighting games. It’s just tactics that you’re not opposed to dealing with often and kills you. Either because a) you suck b) you’ve never seen tactics like that before and don’t have a way around it.
A game having broken elements is what makes a game fun though.
I also do believe dante got the gold star treatment. There’s no way you would give a character over 40 moves and NOT expect him to be top tier. I also beleive they add certain characters as stated earlier, for casual play. Like Thor for instance, a pretty shitty character, but got a movie this year and is featured in cartoon shows. Put him in the game so fans can use him.
But I also feel that there’s always unintentional top tiers like Wesker or the infamous Nu-13 from blazblue. You can’t really know what players will figure out with what you developed. And you also have unintentional low tiers like Hakumen in calamity trigger who was incredibly shitty, but unintentional. Or anji mito’s accent core incarnation, though it was to be expected when they nerfed his 6HS. Nevertheless sometimes low and high tiers can be intentional or unintentional.
lol@ there’s no such thing as cheap. Cheapness definitely exists, just look at Phoenix and you’ll see.
when you can just chuck fireballs nonstop against many of the cast and they cant do anything but choke on the fireballs and die its coz its cheap not coz its a tactic you’ve never seen before >__>
same thing applies for drones assist, wesker assist ez modo unblockables and lots of other shit…
i concur. although i think cheap is awesome, i just wish EVERYONE was cheap.
call me so we can get some games!
-dime