She-Hulk is better than Viper with the right assist but I do believe Viper is better overall. She-Hulks resets are just scary as hell and her damage is out of control.
Sadly, I think she is a worse version of Wesker though ><"
why are people still talking about viper in this thread lol as i have said before the “tiers” should be based on the CURRENT HIGHEST LEVEL OF PLAY and NOT the hypothetical level of play. sure that’s good discussion, but it isn’t a tiers discussion if you’re using hypothetical scenarios of some robot player who doesn’t even drop anything or make mistakes.
not trying to be a grump but come on now.
few corrections:
It started from a C.M not C.H, (Usually Viper starts combos from a C.M because it her best ranged low hitting normal)
She started with one bar and ended up with 1/2 a bar, not bad considering 1.1 mil damage
If This was done with Dante, he would have to start out with atleast 2 bars (maybe more?), also most importantly, when dante does his TOD combo, the opponent usually ends up with 5 full meters where in this case Taskmaster only got 2
So what you says goes? Give me a break.
Seismo is better than disruptor.
It OTGs, a rare and very fast vertical projectile and jump cancelable on hit and whiff which means you can just Seismo x N until they pushblock you out of range.
You realize what you want this thread to be about is pretty much exactly what people are tired of hearing about, right? People want the theory and what they haven’t seen from the characters that can’t just ABCS BBCS into a win. Most of the high tiers consist of that but it’s just not interesting for the people anymore.
i’m just telling you what tiers are - keep talking viper if you must but tiers are not the hypothetical gaming wizard vs gaming robot tiers they are based on what humans are currently doing - I don’t know why that’s a difficult concept.
EDIT: deviljin i guess that’s true
top 5 characters in this game:
1.phoenix
2.Magneto
3.Wesker
4.Dante
5.Ammy
6… Yawnnnnn, this is so redundant!
Lol crazy you mention this because I was thinking about the exact same thing over a couple beers and crappy online play last night. I thought Viper, Doom, Doramammu who are all excellent characters might get a buff in a way or 2. Mainly due to not a lot of people wanting to put the time and effort into them and hindering their full potential for Capcom to actually see. Especially for Viper and Doom. Both those characters are really lethal but people are too lazy to actually put thought into things and would rather just keep jacking off to Gun-Teleports and Call Akuma, launch, DHC glitch combo into death strategies.
I remember when I saw Fei was getting buffed in AE I was like what the hell lol
@niniheart:
As stated, this is the lowest damage variation and lowest gauge gain because it’s easiest to do.
This is the combo without the BKF CS loops, extended ground loops, or extended air loops in the beginning which add roughly 200K when all is said and done (Which is offeset by the reset damage on Task arrows). Also, after any of the hits post EX TK that goes straight into infinite to build gauge and kill the character.
If you honestly think an optimized combo is going to be performed by someone who doesn’t even have a console to practice on you’re sorely mistaken.
You stated “I can’t see that OMG ridiculous damage starting from 1 meter.” She can kill every character with that. What type of expectations does ‘ridiculous damage’ (Your words not mine) set? Does it require more than 100% on every character?
She has high damage output that only a few characters hit without the DHC or some even with the DHC glitch. As for Dante and Mags, their boards would like you to post these then as things that start with 1 starting gauge to do that much require DHC trick and don’t start of 2A.
As I’ve said before, if anything I’m under rating her, at a low level of execution and practice time I already feel she competes with strong characters with more practice time (And don’t say it’s a play level difference, I play with F-champ, Dacidbro, HonzoGonzo and a myriad of other people who I definitely don’t outclass) but even with these she’s still massively competitive. As I’ve said I understand her weaknesses and that the fact of what favorable match ups she has is very useful.
Low level Viper is worse than low level Magneto agreed.
High level Viper is dramatically stronger than high level Magneto in the match ups she wins. Though I feel Magneto is more center line where he has less of a bad time with his bad match ups and is still an amazing character.
As stated previously, I think Phoenix, Viper and Dante are the top then after that there’s still a lot of good characters but they’re simply less broken.
Viper will continue to get better as time goes one while other strong characters have a greater percentage of their total play tapped.
Except Chrisis and MarlinPie are proving that it’s not just theory by placing high in tourney.
@Chrisis, I’m pretty sure you’ve said this before but I really think you should put Dante on your team.
It’s hard to talk and discuss the underused characters outside of theory because no one is using them or data is very scarce.
I would love to see a discussion on Felicia, Spencer, or Spider-Man.
I like the way Josh Wong uses Felicia for Dante teleport unblockables. Rolling Buckler is like a 3/4 screen low, he just calls assist, teleport BAM this dude eating Dante combos.
I’ve started using Dante as of last week, I do the day negative one combo but Dacidbro says I have a really advanced neutral game with Dante and just need to get combos. I need training mode to really learn Dante but I’m abandoning Dog entirely. I’m getting worse before I get better, but once I can do things correctly with Dante I feel he’s much better for Viper and covers all her bad match ups whereas I don’t like Dog against one of them. Also his assist lets her fight them on her own terms.
Thank you Piskooooo for pointing out some facts that people tend to miss: A lot of people have asked if Viper’s so amazing why is nobody placing top 8 at anything with her, then when it’s brought to their attention that she’s placing better often in grand finals sometimes winning them they just ignore these facts despite the fact 8 on the break people play with Empire including Chris G, Mugetsu etc and Starbase has got F-champ and others.
Felicia - to me seems like a dumbed down Wesker with a better assist for unblockables. She is pretty decent IMO with her OTG move setting up mixups and resets and that annoying little cat hyper is effective. That assist is really really good too for unblockables especially for Dante. I mean Dante jump H hits 6/4ths of the screen and Felicias assist as you mentioned is like 3/4s low so you better not be on the ground too long lol. If I were to guess I would say Felicia is top 20ish
Spencer - seems like the hype has died down since the Bionic Arm heard around the world. Still is a very solid character and should be respected. He is another one that seems like he has some hidden tech somewhere that might be found and make him even better. Top 15-20 ish.
Spidey - So annoying. That is literally the only thing I know about him. Top 5-35 ish 
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Yea really don’t have much knowledge or experience against any of these characters so I would like to hear from players who use them what they have to offer. So take all my dumb rankings with the littlest grain of salt possible.
man, let’s see how far viper gets in a major, not local. i think she’s good but c’mon top 2 is pretty lol. well, if viper is so good how come you don’t even see japanese players use her? i see crazy ass dante tech all fucking day from japan. but viper? not at all.
I’m agreeing a lot with Deviljin and Nissan on how the game is turning out with the solo 100% combos and mixups. I’m starting to change my mind on this game, I’m starting to like it more because of the way it’s turning out. I think one fair criticism of it is that it just is more herp derp that MVC2 was, but that doesn’t mean that it isn’t fun, that just means that it might not be as fun as a game like MVC2 if one prefers higher execution and stricter setups.
XF 2 and 3 has to get nerfed, but if they change it to something like, all xfactor is level one xfactor that increases in duration as it moves up in levels and it won’t be a horrible mechanic. Between an xfactor like this and dhc glitches a lot of medium and low tier characters become competitive with the top characters who have 100% solos and mixups. The assist system also seems to allow more creativity over the MVC2 assists, but I never played MVC2 so call me out on that if I’m wrong.
Overall MVC3 is shaping up to be a game that is fun. In comparison to MVC2 it is more herp derp which is bad but also could be more balanced which is good.
Few corrections:
Dante can kill of 2l starting from 0 meter and end up with a net meter gain. It just requires the right partner.
Either way, it’s fine if you guys think Viper is teh gdlk and all. When something is really good, people are gonna abuse it. Till I see all that hidden potential being utilized, I will continue being skeptic
ALSO, that combo you posted unfortunately did not do 1.1 m damage. Taskmaster assist is like a lot of damage. That + j.l is like 150k. So the follow up combo starting from c.m did 950k and used up 3 bars. Just like that, the 1.1m combo is gone. I don’t doubt that she can do that but I still haven’t seen anyone do it. You should do a CMV or something showcasing her damage potential.
Anyways, good luck to all viper players, I will keep an eye on you guys to see what all the hype’s about.
I know plenty of characters that are worse than Viper I’ll say that.
We were all told this game was vastly different from MvC2 before it came out yet all people did and are still doing is comparing it to that game. Even though they say “I know its not MvC2” but somehow they always end up relating to it… Even though the only difference in the name is the “3” but people act like it’s “2.5”. I do understand the gripes about a lot of the things… especially XFactor, one of the dumbest/most random mechanics ever. But the comparisons need to stop. People aren’t comparing SF4 with SF3 or 2 nearly as much.
I have no issues if people dislike this game, I just don’t like it when people argue why I shouldn’t like the game because of these reasons… and try troll with statements like “lulz game is for scrubs so random”.
Keep in mind that Viper isn’t like Wesker, Wolvie, Sent or she-hulk style characters where you spend 5 minutes with them and you know their most damaging combos and mix-ups… She takes alot of work and when a game is new, her full potential wont be unlocked untill later while the easier to learn character have already peaked.
I’m not saying she’s top 5, but I’d say she’s pretty close, definitely top 10