Yeah all the casual people do is bring sales and make the tourney numbers a bit bigger for those that wanna go to the next level and actually go to a tournament. The rest just put the game down as soon as something else comes out and only go back to it when a new character gets put in.
The funny thing is that even after 1/3 of his life taken away he has average health, way above average damage, and above average speed
The funny thing is that even after 1/3 of his life taken away he has average health, way above average damage, and above average speed
Actually MvC2 was exciting but at the same time it was an elitist game and because of that it didn’t have the fame that MvC3 is getting now.
The rest in some form it was adressed to you and for every person that complains about “how sentinel nerf destroyed MvC3”, “Sentinel Nerf was unfair”, “Sentinel didnt won tourneys, why nerf him?”. So I’m sorry if theres some no sense answers on your argument. But at the same time I wanted to address everyone at once.
In other news: Phoenix is a lot more easier to destroy than sentinel.
I do see your point, but trust me, You will still see about 10-15 of the 38 characters in tourneys… Just less Sent, which imo is much more exciting to watch then watching 2 senteniel’s going at it every match
What made it elitist? The fact that no one felt bad for other people who didn’t like people using the really good characters? How no one would wipe your ass for you if you weren’t good just to dumb down the competition? The fact you had to put time and practice in to get better to compete?
Getting into the argument part YOU are arguing about the character Sentinel himself with you showing me all this data of how often Sentinel appeared and what not. I am arguing about the fact that such an irrational nerf can happen for a game that has been out for a month and is in the innovative stage right now. It is dumbing down being competitive because now instead of people actually learning how to fight and defeat stronger characters we can all cry like little babies to our mom (Capcom) to put the bandaid on the wound. We could have easily put it on ourselves but that of course would take time and effort which people don’t want to do these days.
It is like people don’t want to find the solutions (which is one of the core pieces of being competitive) and we want to bitch and moan until Capcom provides one for us. This is what we call a scrub mentality.
MvC2 was not elitist. It just wasn’t in the era of, oh you know… SF4?
MvC2 was one of the few games that kept the scene alive in the dark ages. It even stood up to the test of CvS2… another great versus game that’s all but forgotten. And before MvC3, if I asked my friends to play some MvC2, no one would refuse to oblige. It was both casual and tournament friendly without being patched after 10 years.
Phoenix is a terror compared to Sentinel. You must not play good Phoenix players. Given how easy it is to get 5 bars in this game, I’m really surprised nothing was done with her. She breaks logic via resurrection and insane damage output, turning the game into complete guesswork and away from fundamentals.
Sure a patch is fine. I don’t disagree with them. But when you patch a fighting game that’s been out for just over a month, especially at this extent, you wonder about the intentions of the dev team. A patch after Evo - where things are much more developed and new technology is put to the ultimate test - sure. By then the high-level community probably would have unanimously agreed on what needs to be fixed and ignored what doesn’t. But putting new stuff in all the time at short intervals makes this into something scrub friendly - Evo won’t mean anything if a huge update hits t-minus 4 weeks before it happens.
Fighting games require patience, practice, and working with the tools in the game. You don’t ask for tools to change because you can’t adapt to them. If they are truly better, then all winners in a tournament would be forced to use them. Which is clearly not the case.
/rant. I DON’T CARE IF YOU TLDR’d.
Wow, this is just… wow.
-30% life off a character within 1 month of the game being out? Capcom, I thought I knew you nigga.
Capcom: Online scrubs > Your stupid fucking fighting game scene. We don’t take tournament results into account, we take gamefaqs message boards, bitch.
Dark Phoenix nerf is on the horizon. They will lower her health to 10,000 so being hit even once is not an option.
Gotta make it fair so people can win online matches, cause those are extremely important. Especially when taking game balance into consideration.
The only people that whored Sentinel that hard in tournaments were the ones under the real big players who just needed a quick upper hand in tourneys. Those players aren’t going to be any more interesting to watch if they needed Sentinel to be a good player. They’re just going to find whoever else takes minimal effort and not be very good with them also. Instead of them doing dumb ass shit with Sent they’re going to be doing dumb ass shit with Haggar/Hulk/Phoenix…whatever. Which that isn’t going to be fun to watch either. No reason to blame Sentinel for your lack of entertainment. Blame below average players.
I think Marn’s Magneto and zero are very entertaining to watch, some of the best looking combos i’ve seen so far. His sentinel though, looks like everyones else, boring and basic… I would love to see who his new third will be
Why nerf a character who isnt the best character in the game?
Bold For “I agree”, Italic for the but’s, and the underline is for the LOLZ… XD…
MvC2 was an era, but what I’m trying to say about “elitist” is that they got stuck with the same players, same characters, never trying new stuff (rare ocasions we have seen players who tried something new), the base that a fighting game relies between 6 to 8 characters was scary, at least a lot of players that were new to MvC2 on arcade locals didnt want to play with that 6 to 8 players because they wanted to play with who they want. Idk if you understand me.
Phoenix is easy to beat believe me, I played a lot of phoenix that do the same stuff as in youtube, streams and with snaping her you screw her. With Dark phoenix you should be careful but if you anticipate her moves a little you can find her open to take her back with a hyper.
I believe that a Patch after the first month of MvC is fine, we got 2 Major Tourneys + lots of gameplay and minor tourneys, all in one month, thats enough material to address some balance issues. But, they should have addresed all the bugs too. I belive that in the road to EVO we’ll have 2 more patches and a huge one after EVO.
Fighting games: I agree so much wit a little but. Theres people and people…
Finally… LOL…
Now I’ll be happy to see Sentinels on a stream, yes? At one point I always hoped for the non-Sentinel team to win.
Then JWong’s anti-Sent technology plus Bionic Aaaarm convinced me that the game was definitely fine where it was - went back to watching good matches, not wanting a particular person to win.
This stupid update just means Capcom’s trying to salvage the casual crowd because it couldn’t deliver oh… you know spectator mode, good netcode? hint it’s not working and says bad things about the future. If they even put one of the two things in, especially the latter, is probably the only way they can be forgiven. Hell no I don’t want a balance patch every month. This isn’t a PVP MMO FFS.
WoWcaps acronyms. See what I did there?
He does more shit with Sentinel than any of the 90 other Sentinels that usually show up at tourneys. Like using actual fly overhead unfly command grab setups and stuff like that. Marn is like one of the only high level players that still runs Sent on a team and does well. Which is mainly because Sent drones helps his team out a lot. Zero and Magneto are the scare factor of his team. Sent does nothing but assist and either try to win in X Factor or get lamed out.
The only issue was that jtv viewers like watching the randoms at tourneys play scrubby with other characters and now you get what you want. Which doesn’t make for anymore entertainment value. They’re still doing dumb stuff with another dumb character and you wont like it much either. Yeah Marn may switch to a slightly more interesting character but, the rest aren’t going to be more entertaining when they just derp around with someone else that’s easy mode to win with if their opponent doesn’t have a lot of experience.
I’m just happy I can take Sentinel off my team, and play someone that takes some work with
And I’ll end up Quoting two posts from the Sentinel Threads:
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I’m not a tournament player and really have no intentions of ever being one. I’m fine with just trying to face good competition online so I don’t know if the Sentinel nerf was warranted or not. Nerfs or buffs don’t bother me cause what’s done is done. You just have to work with the changes and soldier on.
Still, it’s probably for the better that they implement changes now, whether we perceive them as being good or bad for the game as a whole. From what I’ve witnessed over the years playing fighting games is that the longer you wait to make changes, the more likely you’re going to piss off the fan base even more. If you wait too long, it won’t matter if the changes the company is making will improve the game by making other characters more viable, reducing cheapness etc etc. And the reason it doesn’t matter is cause, if given time, people just accept the game for whatever its incarnation is. At least that’s what I’ve noticed. So while some people might be upset or happy at these current changes, I’d rather they get their changes they want to do out of the way in the following months and then after wards just stop with the changes and let the chips fall where they may and let the game be. Regardless of what the future may hold for balance etc.
Sentinel is simply one of the easiest characters in a game full of easy mode characters. It isn’t like Sentinel is really easy and everyone else takes serious skillz bro to use. 80-90% of the cast is all stupidly easy to use.
lol at the guy talking about people getting tired of mvc2 and it not being as “famous” as mvc3. Yo dude the game was mad popular for TEN FREAKING YEARS. And people who liked the game didn’t “get tired” of playing with the same characters. It’s just certainly too early to remove 1/3 of a characters health. Let people figure out how to fight him first. Sentinel owns me, but it’s because I don’t have enough experience fighting him, not because he is amazingly op.
This is from another place and forum, but this will answer your stuff…
Outside of tourney players most people did complain that most of the roster wasn’t worth using. Hate to break it to you but tourney players are the minority of the games consumer base. The alternative to tourney players is not instantly casual either before whine about casuals, there are plenty of people who play this competitively but just do not give a rats behind about tourneys and just want a better balanced game.