You’ll eventually have to be good to win with Wolverine also. Just like any game early on when people dont have any strategies for dealing with techniques presented in the game they just get hit by shit and it looks too good etc. With time though people will find little things to lame out or push wolverine to do things he doesn’t want to do and the game will change from there. The lack of people’s knowledge of the tools and assets of the game are what let a character as simple as Wolverine to run around. When people dont know much about the game characters like Wolverine tend to run shop but I dont see him being like a Vanilla Sagat by any means.
Agreed, great post.
Also every game will have some shit that is a lot easier than others. Not every character is going to be crazy hard exceptionally like a Viper or something.
i know this has been talked about a bit earlier, but can someone tell me why you think c.viper and iron man aren’t top tier?
iron man i can kinda see, since his moves seem so slow sometimes, but viper seems like a beast
Wolverine is consistently put in mid-tier by a lot of you guys yet he dominates in tournaments despite the fact that he is put up against people that know how to play their characters. Wolverine may be one-dimensional but that one dimension is all he needs. Wolverine shuts down options.
His +8 on block Dive Kick is way too good. Adds a tremendous amount of pressure when used with the correct assists. He has a super easy 638,000 damage combo. The only other character that compares to him in ease is Sentinel. He can kill you in two mixups. Super safe Berserker Charge cancel, not to mention the fact that Berserker Charge takes 1-2 frames off of every attack he does (making his c.L, s.L and Dive Kick MUCH MORE dangerous)
It’s ridiculous to say that Wolverine is dominating just because people don’t know what to do or how to use their character. Wolverine is dominating because he is that damn good. It’s been proven time and time again. People see his one dimension as a weakness but miss the finer details.
Viper, we agreed is high tier, but not top 5. Her damage output is fantastic, but it takes time to get up to that damage (execution is a factor). She doesn’t have great priority, but she does have great speed and solid zoning.
I swore to god that Ironman would be one of THE best in the game, however he isn’t :(.
Pros
Solid rushdown
Great air normals
Fast tri-jump
Iron Avenger Counters EVERYTHING
Cr. B is the sexiest move ever.
Cons
His range on his launcher is not very good for one and its slow. If you whiff it, Ironman is dead.
Requires ALOT of practice to get combos right.
Zoning is average.
Cr. H is a butt f*cker.
Can’t cancel normals with airdash.
Needs a bottom bitch (Good assist)
Needs to make a big ole combo to build meter.
Other than that, I think he can do well and he is not as bad as Viscant says he is…
I have always said that Wolverine is easily top 10. Wesker, Ammy, Magneto, Phoenix, Dante, Wolverine, Taskmaster, Storm, Akuma, and Zero are the 10. Easily debatable but in my eyes those are the ten. The first 4 IMO are above the rest but right under them i would say are Dante, Wolverine, and Taskmaster.
Wolverine is also the ultimate assist eater… poorly timed assist is suicide against Logan pretty much means death.
You know exactly Wolverines gameplan yet you can’t stop it consistently. He doesn’t throw anything you don’t expect, you still get opened up though. If that isn’t a top character I don’t know what is.
The fact that there is no finer details to Wolverine is part of why I dont put him as high as people seem to want to put him. He definitely is a top 10 character easily but any notion of him being number 1 is way too early. He’s definitely got just about everything he needs to win when he’s packed with assists but I feel that once people learn how to work around his dives and berserker slash he’s going to have to work a bit harder for his wins. He’s really good but he’ll never have the potential for top 3 and barely make top 5 IMO.
LOL reminds me of Phoenix. I know what she is going to do, but still get bodied for free. SMH
Phoenix is definitely a character you have far less control of than Wolverine. Wolverine doesn’t even have a projectile…someone’s goign to be able to control him eventually.
You can’t control Phoenix because even when you close the gap on her if a fireball is on the screen you pretty much have to stop whatever you’re doing or she gets a combo. That’s without having an assist at all. The character has to be designed this way of course because she gets one shotted by ABCS, BBCS super unless she gets that 5th meter. Which even then she still gets one shotted by ABCS, BBCS super.
Yea, wolverine will never be top 3. He is an amazing point character and especially deadly with the right assist. However, look at the guys at the top, they have so much more going on. Magneto is also an amazing point character, he also has an amazing projectile and is a DHC starter. Wesker is a non stop mix up with crazy high health (for how good he is) and his OTG assist benefits any team. Phoenix and Air Bud I won’t even go into to prevent a salty rant.
I’ve found that my only answer to Wolverine as Zero is to call Dante Jam Session and pray. Even then I have to be really careful about when I call him or he’s just going to die. Without Jam Session (or something similar anyway) I feel like it’s a hopeless match for Zero. I’m kinda bad though so >_>…
I don’t really feel that Wolverine is top 3 or anything either though (top 10 yes) because if you’re smart enough you can shut him down, it’s just really hard. The true top characters just don’t really get shut down by anything.
Viper is top via her potential, her biggest flaw imo is needing meter for ex and her shit normals
X factor 3 needs nerfing, its WAY to much damage I’d say X factor 2 damage is ok. its enough to have you respect without going overboard.
Wesker… god I hate you. I feel ashamed when I take over with him.
Wesker gets shut down by drones… I hate those fucking things.
Call dem drones CALL THE DRONES. I WANT DRONES
I dont really see how Zero should be afraid of Wolverine. Zero with good poking I dont really see getting hit by Wolverine all the time. Zero’s normals have no vulnerable hit boxes once they are active except for his c.L (and that normal is hella good also at 4 frame start up) so you can charge up buster shot and keep sword normals out to keep him in check for sure. Characters that dont have invulnerable normals or a projectile definitely have to worry way more against Wolvie. You have probably one of the best characters in the game for dealing with Wolvie.
So who does everyone think is the most “untapped” so far? IMO I would say…
X23
Morrigan
Jill
Viper
It seems like there are still a decent amount of things to be explored with those females, it will be interesting to see what becomes of them while this game is still somewhat new.
I would definitely say the characters you listed plus Modok, Doctor Doom, Shuma, Trish, Joe, Ammy and Dante. Ammy and Dante are popular characters but it’s obvious they’re still not being used to their full potential at all.
I just hate the sound of Wolverine when he is doing 5 lowkicks in a row
Like a dog ‘‘Heh heh heh heh ho’’
Untapped??? Chris, Spencer for sure
I would agree… I just started picking up Dante yesterday lol. I hated that douche when this game came out but now that I have had time in the lab with him it is pretty crazy the amount of depth he has. Sure his easy herp derp stuff is stupidly simple, but that hardly is what makes him so great. Learning these crazy combos with 60000 steps and 78 bold cancels and what not is crazy. I actually just landed a 745K more advanced combo with him like an hour ago in training mode. Need a lot more time in the lab before I can start using him in matches. He is probably the most creative character in the game and there is a little something there for everyone. He can be used very simple or much more complex. Capcom did a great job with him.
I am making a Dante/Chris/??? team and I think that 3rd will be X23. I need a DHC starter and I have always been very interested in her. I will have to check out your tutorial series DJ.
I think Morrigan is pretty figured out. She’s just not good. Not sure what else X-23 and Jill have left except maybe better combos. I’m looking forward to someone actually good with Modok and Joe. I use them a lot for fun but I can’t do their ridiculous shit like 9 cube loops.