Yeah he beat my morrigan/doom/??? in casuals so I attempted to use vergil/morrigan/strider in the tourney match and still got bodied lol.
Vergil/Strider and Dante/Strider is defintely the bane of morrigans existence. I think its worth investing time into magneto/morridoom to beat it. Magneto/Missiles does really well against vajra assist. Ive been having alot of an easier time with this team against teleport strider than when I was playing morridormdoom.
That sounds good. I was thinking about learning spencer for this matchup and then going ham.
How many of you think Morrigan should always have DOOM? Do you guys think that a player isnt using Morrigan up to her potential unless they use him also?
short answer, yes
long answer, you can substitute with vajra, jam session, etc and do ok
I’m actually sort of chaging my mindset about Morrigan always having Doom, key words sort of. I’m beginning to notice more and more that missiles is not helping me as much as I’d like in the Zero matchup. Buster, Lv.3, his sword, and his moves making it easy for him to avoid missiles (hienkyaku, shippuga etc.) make calling missiles a chore. In really any other matchup (except maybe someone having Storm or someone 2nd fishing for the assist kill) not having Doom is silly. You might be able to get away with having Dante and Strider with your Morrigan on the same team.
As for potential I’d say yes you must have Doom for max potential. Hidden Missiles is the absolute bar none best assist for her.
It’s not like she’s bad without doom. It’s just that doom is by far, without question, the absolute best teammate for her. I play what I believe to be the best morrigan/strider team that doesn’t have doom(morrigan/vergil/strider). It’s pretty good, but I win more with morrigan/doom/??? and I don’t really even know how to use doom that well. She has more bad matchups without doom, and the ones she had with doom get more difficult. Hidden missiles assist actually becomes good against morrigan when she doesn’t have her own missiles. Vajra assist is good against her even when she has missiles, without them it’s very hard to beat good strider teams.
There are some exceptions though. I still think morrigan/vergil/strider is a good team despite what I just said. Switching the order to vergil/morrigan/strider can cover a lot of morrigan/strider’s bad matchups. I consider Chrisis’ team(Viper/Morrigan/Dante) to be very good as well. There’s also a player named JEO who is very good with morrigan/wesker/strider.
Thanks for the replys.
I just picked up Morrigan and play Storm. I think Storm needs Doom’s Beam more than missiles but Morrigan need missiles more than beam. Also If i ran Morrigan,Storm, Doom , whom should be on point Morrigan or Storm. I really like Storm in the 2nd slot for her hail storm assist kill ability, but on point Storm can have Morrigan stock her up w/ meter(the whole point of me paring up the 2). Morrigan also has less matchup problems it seems tho.
i played morrigan with missiles and ryuenjin idk ryuenjin is really fun to use lolol
Ive been on a bit of a mission to find good points for the xxx Morri Doom shell. I know at this point Morri first seems more popular, but I just can’t shake the idea that I’d rather battery for more Astral and ideally DHC into it. Anyway, I used Magneto for this for ages, like long before Evo '12, and he may end up the best or one of the best for the spot. But I figure no harm in exploring some others with potential. Wondering what you guys think? Some random thoughts, though Im much more interested in your opinions…
In no partic order:
Magneto- Gives Morri a Disruptor, which she adores. Has serious runaway skills, though does struggle vs some dedicated zoning teams. Naturally enjoys having Missiles, and can also play the run-n-Harmonize game well. Good damage off a clean hit, one of the best DHCs into Astral.
Storm- Arguably the best DHC to Astral, well above avg runaway skills, Whirlwind assist more useful to Morri than you’d think (though outside of the corner can’t be counted on for a lockdown). Ive been using Storm lately as my ‘I don’t want to only run Mag’ solution, but as we all know, outside of some select situations, she tends to amount to a not-quite-Mag.
Sentinel- Not known for being a very reliable point, he still seems like he should be considered for this team specifically, as he CAN run if not murdered at start of the round, and HSF xx Astral with an immediate drone or missile call afterward is a really nice way to set up shop. Morri gets definite use out of drones (as can Doom), and Sent doesn’t much mind missiles either. Like Storm may end up in the ‘surprisingly good, but still not good enough’ camp. Though he COULD be a surprise under-dog.
Ammy- I kinda wish this could be my pick. I just don’t convert well enough off a stray hit (air to air in partic), and she doesn’t chip so well if they run. But there’s potential, Ammy CAN run, and Cold Star is another winner as far as a bonus assist for Morri.
Dante- Dante is hard to play WELL, but for those who can, he could be a pretty strong choice here. He functions very well with missiles, and Jam Session is an incredible ‘side bonus.’ The main problem here is that his DHC to Astral is pretty weak.
Dorm- If Im gonna do this team, I’d rather have Morri in front, semi-disqualifying Dorm from this list. BUT, the reverse is feasible. It’s just the whole meter management debacle that’s not news to anyone. It is a possibility, though.
Vergil- Could work because it’s Vergil, and Vergil just happens to be Vergil. But Vergil represents more meter competition when the idea is to battery. Again, this could work because Vergil is so good, but he just seems a bit off-strategy.
Viper- I have no idea how well Viper functions with just missiles in neutral (in b4 Chrisis, “WELL!”), but if she can get down with just the missiles and Harmonizah, this should be good too.
Zero- I don’t really use Zero, so I’m not sure how well he can function with only Missiles as a neutral assist. But if the answer is anything better than ‘pretty well,’ he’s got to be on this list.
shockwave and vishanti are probably the best dhcs to astral. ice storm startup is too slow to be the best, though don’t get me wrong, it is good. just you can’t mash on it at close range you might die. gimlet is avoidable by things like devil trigger so i wouldn’t put it in there either.
sentinel’s only viable position is second. i don’t think he is very viable with morrigan, as he is outclassed by doom for all the support sentinel gives her.
storm… is okay. ish. there’s no real point here unless you really don’t like their assists, since runaway mags is better/same as runaway storm at runaway, and shockwave is a more flexible and overall better dhc to astral. really think magneto is the perfect point character for a morrigan second team.
ammy and vergil are great anchors for morri doom.
i think the best points for _ / morri / doom are magneto by far, then like zero and taskmaster(!) lol. dorm is decent vs certain matchups as well, but i wouldn’t rely on dorm because his bad matchups are pretty bad.
task is a weird choice, especially as not many people will pick a simple char like task with a technical char like morrigan but the solid buttons, health, okayish keepaway, dhcs, and synergy with missiles are there. his assist is also decent.
Magneto is the best point for ???/Morrigan/Doom. Mag/Doom and Morrigan/Doom are two great shells, but the important thing is that mesh really well together. Other choices might feel more like you’re playing two shells more than a complete team. But Morrigan/Doom is fairly self sufficient so it can still work. Anyone who functions well with just missiles can work here. Task isn’t that weird of a choice, I would have actually recommended him as well. He does pretty well with just missiles, and the combination of missiles and a horizontal assist is really good for morrigan.
Thor/Morrigan/Doom is actually one of the better thor teams, but at the same time it’s not really notable among morridoom teams lol. If you want something really gimmicky but fun try phoenix/morrigan/doom. Phoenix inferno is an insanely good setup for AV. It’s an invincible startup, fullscreen projectile that’s air ok and wall bounces. I almost want to say it’s even better than shockwave and vishanti as an AV setup.
Ahh yes, SOV and Task. Strange I also dont much like first, but I am ASHAMED of myself for neglecting Task lol I play Task! Really I thought he was more meter competition, but that didnt stop me from listing Dorm or Vergil.
Anyway, after reading this I PLAYED Task Morri Doom and fucking love it. Im used to having a 2ndary assist along w/ missiles for Task, but even just as a meat shield to battery, Task is just great, for me at least. Mag is still theoretically better, but for a Task player, he’s another great choice. Nice work catching that.
from what ive been told shadowblade give task a combo off throws
anyway yeah i forgot phoenix rage was a super that you could dhc to other supers with.
Hmmmmm. I like that a lot, but damn, giving up Harmonizer I dunno. lol Definitely worth a try, though.
Who’s the best anchor for GR/Morri (meter assist)/X? I’m stuck between Doom, Dante, Strider, and the possibility I am forgetting anyone.
Morrigan/Frank/Doom gotta be one of the best non talked about morridoom teams. Shopping cart is retarded good for morrigan because it travels at the same speed as her dash. She can level up frank with ease (AV 2x hitcount, frank/morrigan missiles thc, or missiles into TAC in the corner) and doom can level him up too.
That team has no backup plan. If morrigan dies, you’re stuck with frank+missiles. Morrigan cannot level up frank well without taking a chance on a tac, and even then she doesn’t do that many hits. The team has conflicting goals. If you land a hit with morrigan, are you using that to setup your zoning game by building some meter and safely going into AV and calling an assist during your opponent’s knockdown? Or are you going to use that hit to try to level up frank? If your primary goal is to level up frank(as it should be if you’re using frank), then there are much, much better teams for doing that. Real frank teams land one hit and turn that into at least a level 4 frank, and mostly a level 5 one without a reset or TAC, and have proper assists for frank when your point is unsuccessful. Not to mention, in a lot of matchups you will be chipping people out with morrigan which never leads to leveling up frank. It’s either a bad frank team, or a morrigan team that’s free when morrigan dies. Shopping cart is definitely a good assist for her, but there are plenty of other good assists for her that aren’t attached to characters that are liabilities.
I mean getting the hit is pretty easy and once you do you got 2/3rds of a chance to get him to level 4 if not you get pushed back a full screen away and keep spamming. And frank with doom isn’t such a bad thing. A bad frank team with morridoom is still a morridoom team so it can’t be all that bad.