MvC3: 2/3rds: The Morrigan Team Building Thread

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I ran this exact team a while back

Against certain teams, this teams does very very well, however, against heavy rush down, (Nova, Wovie, etc), it’s going to be quite hard and you’re going to have to find a way to keep Strange safe when you call him. I found that calling Strange bolts after a Morrigan knock down was a good way to keep opponents pinned down while I astral visioned and started zoning them out with missiles. Also, don’t forget to mess around with Eye of Agamotto assist, you’ll be surprised how good it is for Morrigan. Lastly, consider messing around with your team order. Missiles happens to be one of Strange’s best assists so it would help him out a lot. Overall, Strange is a very fun character in my opinion, but he takes hard work because his normals totally suck; his projectiles are awesome though.

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@Oerba, I messed around with the Doom/Dante shell with Viper and its pretty strong. I think the main difference is Morri/Doom/Ammy makes Doom a scarier character, but Doom/Dante makes Morrigan scarier. I’ve talked to some people who say that cold star isn’t a great neutral assist to solely rely on so I understand you there. My brother makes it work cuz he uses Zero, but Zero finds a way to call every assist and almost doesn’t need one sometimes.

Doom has a rough time in too many matchups IMO without that Ammy THC so I would say to stick with Ammy. Its up to you though. I do like Dante better as an anchor when it comes to movement and projectile options over Ammy.

Any ways I’m picking up Chrisis’s team Viper/Harmonizer/JamSession and I believe that’s the best team for Viper in the game. Viper is great at protecing her assists while sniping the opposing assists. Giving her a lot of time to build meter and become true theory. People really need to understand that Morrigan doesn’t need missiles and jam session let’s her keep people in a zone during AV while providing more immediate rushdown opportunities. Once I get comfortable hit confirming off it, should be good to go.

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Yea, Morrigan/Dante is scarier than Morrigan/Doom, the corner pressure is really nice. As for Ammy THC, the effectiveness of it isn’t as good as it seems sometimes. At distances from full-screen, the first hit of Okami Shuffle (the fire) misses, so if the opponent has a teleport they can just teleport behind during the ice phase and grab (luckily, no one seems to do this…), from full-screen w/o X factor if you’re going for mix-ups you have like one chance, and unless you have like 3-4 meter stocked, you probably aren’t going to kill w/o X Factor. It still is very effective as a quick punish on assist calls and bad decisions, but sometimes the meter cost isn’t worth it. Nevertheless, Cold Star is still a pretty good assist for Morrigan, but I want to use Dante a bit more. Viper/Harmonizer/Jam Session sounds scary as hell btw, I’d never want to play against that. I think it would be a good idea if you have a pocket Strider too.

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How do you guys feel about X23(CS/OTG)/Morri(DH)/Dante(JS)?

I ran a test set with it (without knowing anything optimal with Morrigan or Dante) and I’m really pleased with the meter build. X23’s runaway with DH spam gets you meter ridiculously fast. I’m looking to make this a double dirt nap team with a shell that can actually play against the higher tiers for the situations where X23 is outgunned. I’m not crazy about using JS with X23 but the plan is either lame it out or TAC infinite for meter so getting the hit is more important than straight out damage.

I figure in the situations where X23 dies, I still have a good lameout team or pretty much a full-time DT Dante team (not sure on the viability, but the thought intrigues me).

Figure this is probably the only reasonable option to run Morrigan since X23 needs something fast to help her pressure game (so having only missiles in neutral is a little iffy) and she can’t get anything good off of Vajra.

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Yeah I used to play Doom/Strider so pocket Strider isn’t terribly difficult for me. Against some SJ height shenanigan point characters like Trish it probably wouldn’t be bad to have Strider, though I feel Dante should be good enough for most matchups.

Yeah Ammy THC is kinda meter expensive and has its faults, but it’s not hard to admit that there are few things in the neutral that are as powerful as that. Which wihtout that THC Doom is pretty subpar vs. a lot of the more zone heavy shells. If you’re liking Morrigan + Jam and Anchor Dante over the Doom THC Anchor Ammy then yeah, good stuff.

Oh and yeah I don’t think anyone will want to play against Viper/Morri/Dante once that gets optimized. It lets her freely EX thunder knuckle through sogenmu zone and generally just not give a fuck if you let her live for more than 10 seconds. I’m sure a mirror of that fight would get more nuts than a Morri mirror.

It’s as good as you think it is. It allows a lot of characters to work like point Morrigan where the opponent has to get to you before you become your time bomb ticks down and you become ready to deconstruct a team. Other than X-23 not having any real zoning options you shouldn’t have to worry about too much. Once you get 3 meters you’re in there and if you can land a hit with jam sess and covert to corner you can always TAC into Morri infinite and then get unblockable on next character. X-23’s great movement allows you to run or rush and get the opportunity basically.

It’s more ideal to run it with a character like Viper or Vergil. Those 2 specific characters become extremely dangerous if you let them get meter on point and unlike Morrigan Missiles, you can’t jump and flip through all of their projectiles to deny them meter. You have to hit them and very soon or they can enact their gameplan that can likely crush the team with the options they gain with meter.

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Are there any other notable players running Morridante atm? I’ve watched some of Chrisis’ stuff and it’s usually his Viper doing all the heavy lifting.

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There are very few MorriDante’s right now that are notable. As it stands right now, MorriDante is still a big theory team as it hasnt been proven to be as effective as MorriDoom, but then again, the whole MorriDante thing has been around less and gotten much much less exposure than MorriDoom. I think in full theory, its better than MorriDoom, but in practical application (so far at least), it hasnt proven to be.

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Yeah Morri/Dantte is a theorist created shell so its more up to you to create more with it until X top player picks it up. Morri/Dante proving strong will be good since it will prove that like Morri/Bolts or Morri/Strider, Morri doesn’t need missiles to do really oppressive stuff with her space control and rush.

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So, what do yall think is the optimal Morrigan team? ChrisG’s team? MorriDante? MorriDoom/_____ ?

opinions?

Also, opinions on the most optimal team using the shell of Morrigan / Strider ?

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I don’t think first spot is her optimal spot, since people will learn she is also a top support character along with the likes of Dante, Vergil, Ammy, Magneto, Doom, Strange etc. Which is already visualized in the tier chart, but will just take time for more people to adopt in tournament. The game will most likely get to a point where a majority of the top players who use her on point will put her in the second spot instead. Including Chris G. Everyone’s scratching their heads and pissing themselves off about Chris G’s Morri Missiles, when he’s actually going easy on them compared to what he could be doing. He knows it, he’s said it online multiple times and they’ll find out. If anything people should be thankful he’s not enacting the SSJ3 and J4 Morri team synergy stuff that kills more quickly and still leaves him with Morri/Missiles if that goes bad for whatever reason.

For best teams with her in the first spot, would basically be stuff like Chris G’s team, JRosa’s team or a something with Doom/Ammy or Doom/Dante. Those teams just cover her up front really well and the majority of them minus Rosa’s team has a strong shell for the neutral if Morri dies and the second character lands safely.

As far as truly optimal teams, looking at a lot of second spot stuff with harmonizer. Magneto/Morri/Doom, Vergil/Morri/Doom (put this team together before the game came out), Viper/Morri/Dante, Dante/Morri/Doom, Zero/Morri/Dante, Storm/Morri/Doom etc. Basically any decent to top tier point character that gets extremely powerful in the neutral once they build meter through attacks and harmonizer (which is easy to do since harmonizer is the quickest assist in the game). Once harmonizer assist recovers you get access to your opposite assist first (Jam Session, Plasma Beam or Missiles). Meaning it’s easy with practice to just enact an alpha strike of assists switching between harmonizer and your neutral assist. Jam Session starts and recovers quickly in general and missiles has the unique ability to depending on spacing allow you to call your other assist while missiles are still falling down on your opponent.

Even with a mid tier character like Storm, giving her any space to run around and call harmonizer with missiles/pbeam/session and now all of a sudden she’s back on her MVC2 shit. She has pretty subpar specials mainly as a balancing act for how her super doesn’t allow you to whiff or call your assists anymore without worrying about them dying off. Which if she gets that going it becomes very difficult for another Morrigan/Dorm player etc. to get their spam started without worrying about their assist dying off and them taking a lot of damage. Then you add the same concept to characters that get even more stupid with meter like Viper and Vergil and you’re getting the closest the game will probably get to counters against Morri AV that don’t involve rushing down.

That’s when people will start to realize that Morrigan’s true threat is that she allows other characters to do things more powerful in the neutral than even she can. Which then people will probably hate her more because with her assists, strong supers for the neutral, TAC infinites etc. she’ll end up being another support character that’s on everyone’s team like the dooms and the vergils etc. Yet she holds the key support wise to deal with what everyone’s complaining about now and will create other very interesting teams through that. So it’s a necessary evil I say.

Basically one day Viper/Harmonizer, Vergil/Harmonizer and probably even Storm/Harmonizer will be the new Morri/Missiles that everyone whines about. The best part is that those teams will most likely have Morri/Missiles or Morri/Dante behind them so you have a double threat of oppressiveness on your team. You can kill them with the front part or DHC into Morri+assist.

(all harmonizer assist)
Viper/Morri/Strider, Dante/Morri/Strider, Vergil/Morri/Strider, Wesker/Morri/Strider, Nova/Morri/Strider, Zero/Morri/Strider, Morri/Doom/Strider,

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The optimal morrigan teams are this point are clearly morridoom with vergil, magneto, or strider.

The really obvious answer would be morrigan/doom/strider but I’m assuming you might have meant without doom. In that case I feel like Morrigan/Vergil/Strider is clearly the best Morrigan/Strider but no doom team. This is one of my main teams right now. Because vergil is second, you can TOD with morrigan without taking a chance with TACs. You can also start vergil because he is the best user of meter assist in the game. I feel like these two reasons put this team ahead of morrigan/wesker/strider or morrigan/dante/strider.

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Does anyone run Morrigan/Haggar? I’m messing about with Morrigan/Haggar/Strider and now I want to learn her.

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I’m pretty sure nobody runs Morrigan Haggar. Though I would ask Cheech Wizard since he used to use Haggar/Lariat assist.

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What are good meter building character if I’m running morrigan second/doom?

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There are characters that build meter well in their combos or through snipinh assists like Viper, Magneto, Chris, Zero etc. Though you’re better off just running harmonizer assist if you want meter build since you can get it whenever you want in the neutral and add it in your combos.

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Morrigan/Lariat is cool because Morrigan can become theoretically untouchable. She gets nice full combos off of Lariat too. Its really not neccessary though when you actually learn how to really play her. Theres no need to be playing haggar on a morrigan team unless you really like playing haggar. There are definitely worse characters you could put alongside the morridoom shell, but theres nothing too broken with the team.

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What’s up Morrigan boards.
I’ve been playing Marvel for about a month, watching streams, reading guides, etc.

I was wondering if Magneto Morrigan and Sentinel could be used as a team.
I know that Morrigan needs vertical coverage but I also really like having drones for magnus.

Thoughts?

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Mag / Sent is a proven shell, but honestly theres no reason to NOT use Doom with Magneto. The shell practically plays itself. Pair that with also having the MorriDoom shell, and youve got an extremely solid team.

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I was messing around with Morricoon a bit last night. I didn’t realize that log extends after her DP super from pretty much anywhere on the screen. Does anyone know if she has any great options for extending combos at high HSD or know any specific options for Morrigan + RR(Log Trap)? I’ve seen the vid with the soul drain loops off of log trap, but not much else.

I realized after posting this that I think this means she has a reliable way to convert off her command grab at a reasonable cost too…

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Lol ive been working with MorriCoon a lot recently to. It seems as though Merkyl and I have very similar tastes in characters and playstyles. Hes in pretty much every board I visit lol.