MvC3: 2/3rds: The Morrigan Team Building Thread

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Yeah morrigans top 3 assists are Missiles, Vajra and Jam. Theyre all equally as good for her despite people thinking shes only good with missiles. They just require you to adjust your morrigan point play to cater to each assists strength.

Outside of those 3 you can play her pretty well with Drones or Bolts. You pretty much have to rushdown constantly with those assists though.

Xian was using her with Beam recently to counter other missiles teams but I dont really think its worth it. You can have a missiles mirror match without having to counter it with beam because morrigan can maneuver so well around missiles.

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I use Daggers and they work pretty decent. I tested for the first time this weekend and they worked quite well with the bullet hell. Here they are in action. Also, my strange is ass. the assist is still good tho.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAGl5dDYLK8

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It’s not bad if the person you’re playing against has poor movement or uses slow characters, but anyone fast with good projectiles will blow it up. The daggers disappear if Strange is hit so you’re only going to get so much out of it against the best players/teams. It’s not terrible if you use it with missiles, but you have to use it with another powerful AA assist if you want anything really consistent.

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If you really don’t want to play doom, you could try my current main team of morrigan/vergil/strider. Although It might not be my main for long as I’m trying to pick up doom to play morrigan/doom/arthur. I actually don’t like doom at all, but he’s the only character that makes a morrigan+arthur team actually good. If you want to use two specific characters together on a team that’s good you might be stuck playing a character you find boring like me. From there the only advice I have is to really try to learn the character and maybe you’ll find something fun about them.

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finally decided on Morrigan / Dante (not necessarily in that order. My third will kinda dictate who goes where).

Opinions on who would go well with this duo? Again, preferably not doom, but I will use him if I have to. Also, no Vergil. Fuck him.

I appreciate all the input yall

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I bet Sentinel and Ammy would work with Morrigan and Dante.

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Ehh…If I was going to use Sent I think I would rather just use Doom. Better movement options, same damage output for the most part, better assist for Morrigan…etc.

Ammy is an option though.

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You could always try Morrigan/Dante/Strider if you really dont want to use Doom, great anchor, and both Dante and Morrigan can make great use of Vajra.

Quick question guys, trying to decide between Morrigan/Vergil/Doom or Morrigan/Magneto/Doom, so I wanted to know what are the pros and cons between those two teams.

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Well vergil is pretty auto pilot compared to Swagnus. You would want him anchor so it doesn’t matter how bad you do just pop x factor and swing the sword like a mad man.

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My vote is for Viper/Morrigan/Dante, Morrigan/Dante/Strider, or Morrigan/Dante/Felicia.

@ewig:
With vergil, morrigan can just DHC to vergil for kills instead of taking a risk on TACs. Vergil is probably the best user of meter asssists in the game too. He’s also the best anchor so he can be put there. Rapid slash is actually pretty useful and gives you a nice corner combo.

Magneto is a really good battery for this team. He can be put first and build tons of meter then use the amazing shockwave to astral vision DHC to set up. Or you can keep him second and take advantage of his easy TAC infinite. Magneto+Doom is an extremely solid backup so your team won’t fall apart when morrigan dies.

These two of best(if not the two best) morrigan/doom teams so really you’ll be fine either way.

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I had already thought about Viper / Morrigan / Dante, but my Viper is ass. I can play most execution heavy characters perfectly fine, but theres just something about viper…idk…I just feel awkward and clumsy while using her.

I would also run Dante / Morrigan / Strider, but I feel like Strider loses to Vergil hard when it comes down to it. I think I would rather use Dante vs Vergil, but maybe thats due to a lack of me actually putting time into Strider.

Hmm…I think I should kinda break it down into three categories to help me find a third character:

  1. Morrigan / Dante / Anchor:

Who would be a good anchor for this shell? The obvious choices are Strider, Vergil, Doom. Im not going to use Vergil though, so im left with Strider / Doom at first thought. As I said before, I would prefer not use Doom, but I will if I have to. Are there any other characters that could anchor this team well while still being able to contribute something assist wise? Strange perhaps? Maybe Ammy?

  1. Point / Morrigan / Dante:

I feel comfortable with Soul Fist + Jam Session, so this is a good order so far. I also get a safe DHC to Astral and get to make good use of Morrigans meter build assist. This is my preferred order. As far as point characters, I guess I would need someone with a decent neutral on their own. Mags comes to mind first, but there are surely other possibilities. Point Ammy maybe? Any other suggestions?

lastly, 3) Morrigan / 2nd / Dante:

This is a decent combination of the two. I still get Morrigan backed up by Jam Session, and I get a second character backed with Jam Session, but I need to be more careful during the opening gambit and I dont get the benefit of Morrigans meter build assist or a safe DHC into Astral. Any Suggestions on a good 2nd slot character? For some reason Dormammu comes to mind, but idk.

Any comments / suggestions / opinions would be awesome, as always. Thanks for the help yall

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I feel like the best options for each version are Strider. Magneto and Vergil respectively. Doom could probably work in any of the three. And there are other options you could go with, like anchor Akuma, someone mentioned using Strange’s daggers a ghetto missiles as well, but really, I feel any team not using the first four wont be optimized, if that isnt a problem for you you could try some other combinations, hsien-ko/Morrigan/Dante with meter assist, build meter, go gold, dhc to AV spam with invicible assist backup, youre already running Dante so you could try Zero/Morrigan/Dante too and so on.
But really, I feel to really make the team optimal youd need to run either Strider, Doom or Vergil, Magneto would also be a valid option.
One thing I woudl point out is that if you really dont like Doom, then dont use it, I can only speak of personal experience, but I felt the same way about Spencer myself, didnt like him but was willing to use him if ‘necessary’ on my Nova team, and while he worked I never felt comfortable with that team so I eventually dropped him, which makes the time I spent with him pretty much a waste, so while your situation may be different from mine, Id say to spare yourself the waste of time and avoid using characters you dont want to use. Unless youre playing for money and you find you cant win without a character no character is really necessary.

Thanks Pat, that really, really helped, I think it was pretty much just what I needed to finally decide on my teams, so thanks. :slight_smile:

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I’ve been messing around with Dante / Morrigan / Strider, and just some notes:

Dante/Strider is really easy once you learn the chemistry between them. I was playing umvc3 Dante with Poison tip assist just as a for fun team, and after picking Vajra, it’s literally doing half the work as before. Killing characters with this team isn’t exactly difficult, because both assists (Vajra and ShadowBlade<-def recommend running that assist) give him combo extensions to build plenty of meter. In the corner, after doing beehive near the end of a combo, you can do stinger+shadowblade assist, BC Acid Rain, into whatever, j.S or Sky Dance. Another sneaky thing is that, if you DHC into astral vision right as Million dollar’s main shots end (where they are in a spinning state) you can sneak in 2 soul drains and go into Fireball patterns, since I believe doing air soulfist covers all tech directions. You can sneak in 4 if you don’t use Morrigan’s assist during Dante’s combo, and then call Jam Session after DHC’ing into Astral Vision.

Of course, Strider’s role is to purely be an assist/anchor, and conserving XF for him is a must. I personally think the best order would be Morrigan / Dante / Strider, because if they hit the point character and Vajra in a happy birthday, then you would have Dante anchor rather than Morrigan by herself against 3 whole characters. Another good thing is that you have 2 of Morrigan’s best assists, so once you gain distance/momentum, playing smart should keep the opponent at bay, unless they’re playing Vergil. Overall a really good team, I usually only find myself losing when I mess up an input/make a mistake, or when Vergil does random teleport helm breaker, because Vajra and Jam Session should be doing a good job in covering your mistakes, but not as good as hidden missiles does imo.

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How would Morrigan/Dorm/Doom work? Well Doom just works with every team he’s in so how about Mor and Dorm?

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Its a strong keep away team, but the team kinda falls apart if Doom gets snapped and killed. Also, it has a lot of problems against heavy rushdown characters / teleport characters (unless youre already set up with AV or Flare). It was a team I was thinking about, but it has problems against a lot of characters, notably Hawkeye, Magneto, and Zero. And of course Derp Vergil.

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Okay so Ive narrowed it down to these:

Zero / Morrigan / Dante
Zero / Morrigan / Doom
Mags / Morrigan / Dante
Mags / Morrigan / Doom

Opinions? Particularly on the 2 Zero teams, and the teams compared and contrasted to each other. Maybe yall can point out something ive overlooked.

If it matters, I can do Lightning loops pretty consistently on both sides of the screen. My neutral with Zero needs a considerable amount of work though considering I just picked the character up. Ive got the fly stuff down with magneto and my plink dash / wavedash is pretty solid. I tried working on hyper grav corner loops for like 10 minutes and the most reps I got was 7, but it was an outlier. I was averaging about 3 hypergrav reps. My neutral with Mags is a bit better than my neutral with Zero as of now, but I feel like thats because Magneto has a more basic neutral than Zero does. He doesnt need to worry about charging a buster or cancels, or anything like that. Its just trijumps, sniping assists with disruptor, and plink / wavedashing (for the most part. His confirms are relatively easy).

As far as Morrigan goes, Ive got my execution with her down pretty solid. I can do her TAC infinite from any direction, on both sides of the screen, ive got her BnB solid midscreen and corner, facing both ways, and my Soul Fist execution is pretty precise (still working up the speed though. Ive got it fast, but not quite as fast as Chris. Its close though.)

Regarding the teams themselves, I still am really hesitant to play Doom, just because I know how shitty he is if the opponent has a lifelead and can run away. I am really REALLY against anchor Doom…but Missles helps Morrigan so much. At the same time, If I run Zero, Zero benefits from Dante greatly. To be honest, im sure Zero benefits a lot from missles too (who doesnt -_- ) but I dont know how well Zero can cover Doom. Also, Dante is a MUCH better anchor than Doom in my opinon.

The issue is that when im running Morrigan / Dante, I find a lot of issues when playing against characters who have good super jump options…like Trish for example…or hell, even Doom. Since I dont have Missles or Vajra, they can superjump > airdash up back > fly > finger laser and it makes getting the lifelead back a huge bitch. Also, fuck Hawkeye.

Any suggestions / comments / anything regarding any of what I mentioned?

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Is it even possible to get 7 reps of the hyper grav loop o_o? I was under the impression that 4 was the possible max. Anyway, You dislike Doom anchor, and while Jam is good with Mag, I think Missiles is better. So maybe Zero/Morrigan/Dante is your best bet. Your problem with good SJ characters would be remedied (I think) if you just got closer before you called Jam Session. Dante comes out in front of the point character, and an SJ character can’t punish it at SJ height, so that would deter them from jumping. You can just follow them up too with Morrigan and use Soul Fist H. No point in forcing yourself to play a character you don’t like (Doom).

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^^ I got 7 reps off of just starting with L grav on the floor in the corner. I wasnt doing full combo into hyper grav, I was just working on the hyper grav section itself. Thanks for the suggestions though

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Alright so I think Ive decided as of now. I ran a bunch of sets with one of the best players in Florida (made the Florida 5v5 team, but couldnt go to FR so he had to be replaced). He runs Spencer / Frank / Vergil (well, this is the team hes working on now. Hes used a few teams, all based around Spencer.) I think the final count was 13-17 his favor? But it was online, and Im not super comfortable with Zero yet…and Dante can have a rough time vs Vergil. Honestly though, most of the wins (for both of us) were due to dropped inputs (dat latency). All in all it was a decent training session and helped me figure out how the team works.

Zero (Dp assist) / Morrigan (Shadowblade) / Dante (Jam Sesson)

Pretty cool team.

Ive also got a theory team that im curious about:

Morrigan (Shadowblade) / Dante (Jam Session) / Strider (Vajra)

opinions? I figure that Ive got 2 out of 3 of Morrigans best assists so her zoning game will still be pretty damn effective (although not quite as effective as Missles). If Morrigan dies, Ive still got Dante + Vajra, which gives Dante easy confirms into Volcano > stuff. After all that, if Dante dies, I can at least pop xfac and get Dark Strider.

Comments?

Also, maybe Morrigan / Doom / Strider?

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Morrigan Doom Strider is godlike, 2 tracking lock down assists. As far as the zero team goes do you got the LL?