gainst each other, msp wins… pure rushdown wins… but against other teams, mss is better… any team w/ capcom is a abi trouble for msp
what about MSS-Drones vs MSP?
i actually like MSS-Drones over MSP because now the tables have kind of turned. Whenever Drones are called, any time MSP calls psy she’ll get hit. Not to mention they’ll cover a large area where MSP can’t rush.
repeated predictable tri jumps, gets jumped back for free. mag/psy still has adv over mag/sent-a, but msp vs mss-a is at best 6-4 msp.
http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44264&page=2
check out the old mss thread started by ytwojay.
in the 2nd or 3rd page, mixup breaks it down with a lot of useful stuff. how msp beats mss-y and other stuff stuff.
either way mag vs mag is usually 50/50.
No proper mags will rush predictable. All MSP mags has to do is turtle and wait for psy, and MSS-A mags can’t do shit to him. I’d say 7-3. 6-4 if you’re an unblockable whore.
I would say the matchup is 6-4 msp 50/50 if ur an unblockable whore. Killing storm on msp kills msp if u have sent on ur team, cause u have unblockables for days. MSS is about playing smart/safe not rushdown thats why i think MSS is 50/50 wit MSP…
msp does NOT beat mss-y
any time mag/drones gets a hit it can be turned into a guaranteed 90% combo with no resets
msp has no effective/safe way to attack mag or storm/drones dashes get DESTROYED by mag st fierce and storm st or low rh.
90% of the times i have lost to msp with mss-drones is because my mag and sent were snapped other 10% was mag being snapped then sent being gb.
the capo speaks the truth:karate: .
i just added the word predictable in there. if msp turtles against mss-a, then mss-a can do the same thing and turtle too, and it’s in favor of mss-a, because that team dies slower, and rocket punch and punish psylocke.
good players don’t need aaa to save them from tri jumps. it’s all theory fighter, but basically it’s 50/50 in any mags vs mags matchup.
I.E. mags backed with sent-y and cyclops-b should never lose to mss-a or mags/rocketpunch, but it does cuz it’s 50/50 when it’s mags vs mags.
i believed this too, hence if you check in the old mss thread, i was trying to understand why people say mss-y loses to msp, and guys like y2j and mixup said msp beats it. in the end it all comes to the players and maybe some luck.
people say it loses to msp because SNAPBACK beats everything in the game
MSP > MSS-A
MSS-A > MSS-Y
MSS-Y > MSP
Explanations to be added later.
Hope that helps./Jus’ my $.02.
- Geronimo
mss-a doesnt beat mss-y either
mss-a just has the advantage of sent not getting raped by drones like psylocke
but, unlike msp, mss-a has no way of fighting mag/drones, i get free rushdown without having to worry about psy popping out
drones are always on screen so i don’t really have to worry about pushblock into sent-a
Deus: To tell you the truth, I actually started thinkin’ ‘bout that right after I finished posting, considering I have never actually seen/really thought of MSS-Y vs. MSS-A. At best, I was getting MSS-Y is either equal to or slightly better than MSS-A. And the reason for that is jus’ that, unless drones are called a lot earlier than RP, I’m pretty sure RP’ll still come out (drones would have to stuff Sentinel’s super armor and hit’em before the RP gets a chance to come out). But, I’m not completely sure on that, since I’m jus’ thinkin’ the scenario out in my head. And if that is the case, then RP would probably still hit Sentinel (the one who called drones) for a decent piece of damage. And Sentinel is a lot more durable than Psylocke, so you’ll be able to have him “use-able” more often than Psylocke.
Another reason MSS-A is probably > than MSS-Y…Storm w/ drones is overall better than Storm w/ RP.
Of course, if drones stuffs RP clean everytime…then my whole arguement basically becomes irrelevant.
You’ve probably played this match-up more than a few times, so please, feel free to elaborate.
Jus’ my $.02.
- Geronimo
EDIT: Come to think of it, RP vs. drone assists isn’t that un-common…but for some reason, I can’t remember how it usually ends up. Someone please remind me…
what’s better against sent/cap
storm/rp or storm/drones- I used to think storm/rp is trash, and now i think it’s somewhat decent if you’re in the lead against sent/cap, and get a countercall sent-a hailstorm to hit.
Whereas, I think sent/cap stomps the crap out of storm/sent-y. sent-y gets beat up.
but in the vids of storm/sent/cable vs sent/storm/cap, storm can beat sent, im not sure if it’s because of the addition of cable aaa, or the player just knows how to use drones better against sent/capcom.
but in mss-y santhrax matchups, it seems mid game storm/sent-y gets stomped badly by sent/cap
i’ve played mss for awhile, and i play it all the time agianst my friend who uses msp, 70% of the time he will beat me why…PSYLOCKE. it doesn’t matter how fast you move or how sick your combos are, you can’t hit what you can’t touch. ask any of the BEST mag players and you will see that there is a big advantage that msp has over mss, the only time mss beats msp is when the msp player…sucks…
good msp vs good mss-a, msp wins easy…
ppl don’t relize how much they need an aaa, which is why i use row instead of mss
MSS-Y is alot stronger then people seem to think I’ve been messing around with it lately granted i suck with it, but i do see the potential of it if any of u guys seen deus while he’s on mss-y is scary D:
umm, does anyone mind sharing some good mag/sent-y combos? =)
If hes beating u cause of psylocke then stop getting hit by the assist, if ur losing to mag psy then you need to play smarter. Honestly i think mss beats msp if mss takes out psy its a wrap. Even if the mag on mss dies you have strom coming in wit 2 or more meters (if ur a smart mag player u dont need to burn meter with mag) Two catches with mag/RP and thats a dead character. if storm dies on msp omg i feel bad for the msp player, UNBLOCKABLES kill this team when storm dies. Believe me when i tell you mss vs msp isnt as bad of a matchup as u think it is…so i guess when Sanford wins with MSS against Yipes’ MSP or vise versa its cause they both suck right?