Thank you. YES, people crying foul on what other people put in their list. Very nice.
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True
There’s no point in arguing the most skilled game. The highest level of skill is acquired by the players, not the games. Winning VF at Evo is probably easier than winning any other game. That’s not the game’s fault. That’s the competition, or lack thereof.
The OP’s question is more interesting, since it concerns the gap between novices and top level players. That goes to Marvel by far. If you’re new, you’re going to lose against a top player a 1000 times in a row, and he won’t sweat or lose a character. If you’re an experienced Wolverine mall player the same will happen, and you won’t even know it’s the same game.
For games with high level of yomi, like VF, the novice can just get lucky and be unpredictable enough to hit some punches or even a round. In Marvel the novice will just be watching the whole time. Shenanigans from Magneto, Spiral, Storm and Strider will take hundreds of hours to get around, and then the novice may have a shot to actually play the game instead of auto-losing like some guy above said.
Its interesting to know that games like SF4 or TvC are bad choices for this since they are made with the idea of comebacks in mind. The chance of someone getting “lucky” with ultras and baroques is a little higher than in older games.
Hahahahaha.
I play Marvel but I’m going to have to give that title to Virtua Fighter.
I literally saw down at a head to head cabinet and mashed on the buttons and NOTHING happened.
I was so mind fucked.
Marvel. All day.
So, uh, for the people saying melty blood. Are you saying execution wise it’s the most difficult? Just wanna know the reasoning.
To simplify the question… what is skill? A lot of people have tried to answer it, but they’re mostly overthinking it. I think the answer is a lot less subjective than they seem to think. Specifically examining execution, mind games, and so forth when defining skill is kind of like talking about different kinds of film stock when defining photography.
Skill is the difference between control and chaos. If you win due to factors that are within your control, it’s skill. If you win due to factors that are not within your control, it’s randomness. Ergo, the games with the highest number of controllable factors that determine your ability to win (or the ones with the lowest number of uncontrollable factors) are the most skill-based.
Only with a global definition in place can you safely start examining the finer points.
Something that hasn’t been mentioned about VF is the movement system which is very different to other games. It takes a lot more effort and skill to get around quickly in VF but good fast movement opens up a lot more opportunities for your character. I know Tekken also has some of it’s own movement skills but is there anything like that in 2d fighters?
VF has also been made easier to play in VF5. VF4 had a lot more unsafe moves, you had to use evade throw escape more, some of the moves/combos/techniques were harder and it had the most difficult defensive technique in ARE. In VF5 you can get by with fuzzy guard a lot of the time and because dashing was slowed down a bit and some characters can fast sidewalk, movement skill probably doesn’t make as big a difference.
Some long term VF players say that VF3 was even harder than VF4 though.
When comes down to it I think we all agree on Marvel being at that top no matter what place, correct?
Any of the VF series except for VF2 and VF1. VF1 was just crap and VF2 was really an unfinished game, and it was very buggy to say the least.
The most skilled fighting game was Rock’em Sock’em Robots.
MvC2 definitely gets my number one vote, hands down. So many ways to attack, yet so many ways to defend such attacks if you know what you’re doing. If you don’t, TOAST in 60 seconds! Followed up by 3S and I’d have to say Killer Instinct.
No, it’s not. Evo is so much better (imho) than 5. FV4Evo just blows me away.
And, when I read this topic, I already knew the answer was Virtua Fighter. What a great series. Too bad it’s so hard for noobs to get into, but when you’re in, it’s so damn rewarding!
I would consider VF3 more difficult than VF4 in that the terrain properties come in to play, and equally as important, the movement was more manual, ie. dodge was regulated to its own button rather than a tap of the stick. Also korean movement (was that the term they called it?) was more practical in that game. I do agree with your post however.
No.
What do you mean here? Are you saying its easy to win VF at EVO because of the lack of competition in the USA? First off, that’s not true, second off I don’t see what that has to do with this thread.
I do think what you say is true though about SF4, but I’m not certain about TvC…wasn’t Kara’s rushdown BS what kept matches so one-sided at times?
Ah.
You’re back. 
Oh yeah, I just picked up/started learning this game, you’re right the execution for the combos is difficult, but not all characters require tks, and even less bnbs (at least the more used ones) require the tks. Out of all the characters I play (Sakura, Rider and Sabre), it seems only Sakura really needs the tk, and its for only one of her combos. Rider uses SC and a bunch of loops with stuff like 646+B and sabre uses SC and wind blast loops.
Not arguing with you of course, just thought it interesting.
no
no prob 
Classic Question…
I am pretty awesome at mashing buttons like a big idiot. So I can say with much confidence that if I were to mash buttons against skilled players in 100 matches of every fighting game ever released. When it came to virtua fighter I’d definately have the fewest wins if any at all. But what about most wins? Hmmm… DOA maybe? The 3D Mortal Kombats? I wonder…
no?
I wasn’t sayin its the numba 1 just saying its at the top somewhere…but you’d still say no wont you?
Wasnt claiming that since I could do those techniques Id be good at it. You just said about hard those to do actually are and I was saying that they arent. Also re read, I said i didnt bother learn shine smashing or wave shining whatever gay shit that is. The game sucks balls anyways. Whatever if you like it but it still blows. No I dont like SF4 / 3s either.
VF
ST/hdr
mvc2
tekken
Marvel (theres no way a noob is gonna beat a MSS team played by a experieneced player)
super smash bros melee (do i need to explain this one?)
KOF (a noob will probably pick Terry, k, kyo, iori, or one of the “Cool” characters. they’re most likely gonna spam specials, punishable specials.)
THERE is no way a newbie can pick up those characters and beat an experienced player in KoF. I had a friend who picked up KoF for the Dreamcast and thought he could beat me with said characters, he lost horribly.
As a matter of fact, the only way a newbiewill beat an experienced player is that person let the newbie win.
I found VF easier to get into than SF. I’m not joking. Maybe its because I played the former since I was a child but SF with its weird ways of handling crossups, overheads, the meatty system, it threw me off guard horrible for one or two months.
VF is so poorly underrated. And just because it doesn’t put lightning on everyones fists.