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I donāt think MVC2 required high execution to be competitive. There were difficult things to learn, but there are difficult things in every game. MVC2 is a VERY easy game to pick up. Sure Sanford and Yipes did stuff that required high execution, but not everyone who picked up the game was Yipes and Sanford. Itās not like you had to have the highest possible execution to even think about playing the game. Here is a secret, even moderately decent players wonāt have that high execution. Sure you need to learn ROM or fast fly, but that takes at most 1 or 2 weeks to learn how to execute.
I can apply that logic to every fighting game ever.
^ took the words out of my mouth.
Thereās a difference btwn being decent and playing at the highest level. What you said Branh adds nothing to the subject. Of course going deeper into a game raises the execution bar.
If youāre playing at the āhighest levelā then every game requires high execution in that case. There is a big difference between being competitive and being the hands down best at the game. You may need crazy good execution to be the best ever MVC2 player in existence (in addition a lot of other more important stuff), but I donāt think thatās what the question is asking. If I were going to be the best SFIV player in the world ( a game many in the FG community believes has simple execution) Iām going to have to work heavily on my execution in even that game. You have to draw the line somewhere.
If youāre going to be the best Magneto player, or the best Sentinel in the world, then I can see where the high execution for MVC2 is coming from. But if youāre just going to compete in the game, your execution concerns can be addressed in probably 2 weeks max.
MVC2 has always been an easy game to pick up. Now if were talking about VF or Guilty Gear, Iāll definitely give it to those games. You definitely need higher than average execution to begin to call yourself competitive in those.
Huh? 0_o Do you even know what that means?
Dumbest thing he said was that mvc2 didnāt require execution to be competitive, and then makes a case for tthe common man when it comes to playing it. You know what, that shit is a scrubquote.
OOOO Snap, Zero for the love of all thatās pixels please dont expose him in he scrubquotes thread 
Sure you can compete at a decent level in mvc2 with two weeks of practice. I would like to see what you call decent in marvel 2, because iām decent in marvel and i damn sure know the things i can do it that game takes more than 2 wks to learn.
Give me a break. I played Marvel for 6 years quasi competitively (basically meaning going to tournaments here and there). I never put a considerable amount of time into Marvel, and I could still compete just fine in it with team scrub. Back in those days I had pretty good reactions and I could block well. That takes you pretty far. Could I have played MSP? Probably not, but I bodied several MSPs in my days. Itās not like Iām ignorant about competitive Marvel, I just think the amount of REQUIRED execution isnāt that high.
Iāve seen Khaos (a west coast MSS player) do awesome refly combos that would give Sanford and X a heart attack, but he doesnāt have a better Sentinel than either one. Execution is a part of MVC2, and a big part, but MVC2 definitely doesnāt deserve to be listed as one of the highest execution games. There is TONS of simply shit and low level gimmicks that requires 0 execution in that game. And you can gain some mileage with all of these tactics even today.
Thank you, you just made my point. What YOU deem as decent/competitive is much lower than marvel standards. The fact that you canāt play a decent msp shuts down your basis of having any argument. The game has whatā¦4 main competitive teams? and the fact that you admit to not being able to play one of them shows that you are hardly ādecent/competitiveā in the game to be any sort of judge for an execution bar.
There is no basis. Saying that I know nothing about Marvel competitively because I didnāt play MSP is like saying I canāt saying anything about competitive SFIV because I chose to use Guile over higher execution characters like Gen and Viper. You donāt have to play MSP to be competitive. MSP is just a popular team because it has a lot of bullshit built into it, like high priority with the first hit (making match start a gamble) and big momentum shifts. And admittedly you can get really luck with MSP is you can convert on random hits well. With that said, it actually take more skills to NOT use MSP in MVC2 and still stay competitive (like Justin Wong and Sanford has done). MSP is also not considered the best team as many people basically state the only good MSP players were Schmit and Yipes. If you want to judge MVC2 execution on MSP (knock yourself out), then sorry thatās just being narrowminded. And yeah, I can do the ROM and it took me like 2 weeks to learn. And here is a big surprise, my execution is NOT great (its below average).
^ No no, youāre misunderstanding what iām saying, how can you judge execution of a game if you only pick the easiest characters to use?
EDIT: and i agree, it does take more skill to not use MSP in mvc2 and win, which is why i understand how hard the game is trying to avoid getting a touch of death by a good msp. Thereās no way you can be shitty and survive a good msp in marvel 2, youāre contradicting yourself.
Damn I only read page 1 so far, but canāt believe VS BBHood even got mentioned for this. If I can execute someone, they donāt belong anywhere near this thread lol
Edit: Iām realizing this is probably referencing the Sako-esque jab dash jab stuff. Yeah thatās pretty hard, but I donāt think itās absolutely needed <shrug>
Seems like thereās a difference between finger gymnastics and timing precision as far as difficult execution. Iām worse at the latter, so any GG character who canāt compete at high levels without FRCs is out the door for me.
And youāre misunderstanding me, you donāt need to use the highest execution characters to be competitive. Not sure why thatās so hard to understand. The fact you can use Cable and commando and you have a top tier team and only need to learn to tigerknee and punish means that not all top tier tactics require that much execution. Storm certainly wasnāt that hard to use (I also played Thrax). Yeah, if you want to take things to the next level, then you may need to up your game. But thatās true for any game. But as it stands having the bare minimum of what is REQUIRED isnāt really that much. Trijumps donāt take long to learn, neitehr does the rom, or Stormās BNB, or Sentinel fast fly. And it definitely doesnāt take long to learn 3x AHVB. Again, people are judging āhigh executionā based on what Yipes and Justin do. If I played SSFIV and wanted to mimmick Daigoās Ryu, then I have a tough road ahead of me. But I want a competitive Ryu, then maybe I donāt need as much.
Anyway, the video era of gaming has kind of messed up peopleās view of reality. They only see the highest level of play, and tend to not be exposed to the lower levels of play. When I played MVC2, we didnāt watch match videos (I was the first of many people I played with to really watch match videos). I was dealing with low level tactics. That was until I started to play top people in my scene, but taht wasnāt until years later. I bet many people here who study every milisecond of Yipes, Justin, and Sanford match footage would probably lose to every low tier gimmick in the book.
Duc Doās Spiral team.
Perfect example of finger gymnastics vs timing precision. I LOVED team Duc and could do that shit all day near flawlessly on padā¦ but if I attempt a Sol Badguy Gun Flame FRC Iāll fail 9 out of 10 tries lol
@ Branh - we just have different POVās on what it is to be competitive. The point im trying to make, is that a low level cable/cap CANNOT be decent at this game with two wks of practice, not against anyone who knows how to play at least. Sure i can tiger knee and what not in two wks, but actually playing the game how its supposed to be played at a high/decent level is clearly something that takes longer than that.
Iāll agree to disagree because you have your opinion as do I. I know youāre on PSN so you can get at me on mvc2 when you want to play a decent player and then judge where you stand at. My tag is gconc3ptz.
I donāt play MVC2 anymore. Iām way out of practice in the game. And I played ādecentā players for years in the arcade. The top players in my local scene were amongst the best on the East Coast, and while they werenāt household names, theyāve beaten big names in majors. So I think I have a pretty good basis for saying what I say about MVC2.
I mentioned Bulleta a while back most likely on page 1.