"Mmm... You look like you're in good shape": Juri Q&A and General Discussion Thread

[D_Dollars]

What would you guys rate Juri’s Kara throw? Besides Ken and Akuma I would say hers is third best. But I’m not sure cuz I only know akuma’s, ken’s, juri and ibuki’s Kara throw range.

vega’s is much better than hers. her kara is like top 5 tho. i would say ken, vega, e ryu, then juri.

[Paolochun]

Anyone who can give some tips for my Juri play? I simply cannot find good way to play her at all no matter what i do i just lose every single game which usually end me getting ending up in corner and dying there.

Do you have any vids? Seeing you in action would be a good way to see what you need to do better.

[Lion_Jak]

Oh shit forgot vega, and eryu had a Kara throw.

[exsoldier2006]

At a tourney, definitely bnb and set ups. I work on safe jumping and corner combos. Its the best way to get rid of pre-game jitters. Plus i like to do my finger exercises and stretches. Gotta make sure i don’t sprain a finger and also it helps warm them up too.
I spend usually around 5-10 mins in the training room when i’m just looking to warm up. When i’m legit training in the lab, you’re looking around 30 mins to an hour, and sometimes even more. If you need to get down a fight, such as yun. then you spend hours on set ups. For instance, did you know that light kick dive kick can be grabbed if blocked. Your juri training all comes down to you. What do you think your biggest weakness is? Man i sure can’t anti air worth a shit. Let’s put the dummy to jump in on me. Man i keep eating safe jumps, how do i simulate that, oh i know i’ll have ryu sweep me and then jump in on me to see what are my options. Man i fucking dropped my combo, i think i need some time to work on some bnbs. If you’re not thinking about how can improve my juri, then you’re not helping yourself in the end.
Hopefully that helps my man =)

Thanks man, I’m having some of those problems dropping combos,learning set-ups for some characters, safe jumps as well.

[exsoldier2006]

Tournament, I usually just check do a couple of cr.LK, close.LK, cr.MP xx HK Pinwheels to ensure my mind is awake. Then I check I can hit sweep > meaty cr.MK frame tight (ensures I’m used to input lag on the setup). Then I do Trial 24 a few times in each corner (another getting used to timings thing).

In training room, I often spend hours. Practicing links obviously. Practicing combos (sometimes I go through the combo thread 1-by-1). Practicing FSE chains. Then freestyling, making up stuff and doing it. Making up FSE combos, multi fireball combos, resets, variations on BnBs. I might also focus practice on specific things, like antiairing neutral jumps, or matchup specifics eg. if I had problems with rose, going through her BnBs and learning where I’m at advantage, where I can reversal, what are the mixups she can do etc.

I spend too much time in the training room, I should really play more matches.

I like that thanks I will probably try it.

[exsoldier2006]

There’s only 2 things I really practice:

-Links for hit confirming Super/EX pinwheel. cs.lk, cs.mp xx senpusha/fuhajin and c.lk, cs.lk, c.mp xx senpusha are the two main links I practice the most. I don’t really care for most other links.

-Reaction. To train my reaction I usually set Honda to do EX headbutts at different intervals and then I try to punish with Ultra 2 on reaction (at far and midscreen distance). Or I do this with Blanka and I try to stuff balls with c.mp or jb.hk.

I don’t really practice chain combos, juggling, FSE, blocking, anti-airing or frame traps because I don’t have problems with all that.

Stuff I don’t practice often but should: throw teching, kara-throw, kara-canceling and option selects.

Thanks a lot.

[Kail]

Hmmm. Training.

I practice my setups. I have specific ones that I like doing that I feel in a 2/3 match setting I will hit. I make sure I keep those tight. I practice fse with random block. I practice pressure in the corner with random block. Fadc c.hp x pinwheel. I practice storing and releasing. I practice my fuzzy guard setups I might use.

Basically there’s a difference sharpening your weapon and learning how to Wield it. Knowing what to do and experimenting is different from getting your findings down to perfection.

[Lion_Jak]

alright have a question. I was facing a sagat two days ago or so. So instead of going through the obstacle course of fireballs. i decided to just mp kasatushi. Until he stopped. He finally got an ex bar and and i missed the counter and Juri was stunned. I was suprised. Havent tested it out yet but i was wondering if anyone knew if Juri takes stun after doing a counter? Im in class at school and this was last nite.

[Kayza]

With the new FSE dash, it looks very possible to do EX dive kick -> dash under/fake for an interesting mixup. Can anyone else think of any new possibilities for crossunder mixups?

[Vulcan_Hades]

With the new FSE dash, it looks very possible to do EX dive kick -> dash under/fake for an interesting mixup. Can anyone else think of any new possibilities for crossunder mixups?

I just thought of something fun:

anti-air pinwheel or H fuhajin, activate FSE while opponent is floating in juggle state then dash under for a sick mindfuck or maybe even a fun juggle that wasn’t possible before.

Actually, just activating FSE vs neutral jumps/jump aways could be interesting now that I think about it. It could actually work as a pseudo-anti-air.

[Metallicmike]

alright have a question. I was facing a sagat two days ago or so. So instead of going through the obstacle course of fireballs. i decided to just mp kasatushi. Until he stopped. He finally got an ex bar and and i missed the counter and Juri was stunned. I was suprised. Havent tested it out yet but i was wondering if anyone knew if Juri takes stun after doing a counter? Im in class at school and this was last nite.

Bad mistake, yes armoured moves in this game still receive stun.

[Lion_Jak]

Oh lol I’m dumb

[deice_1]

Bad mistake, yes armoured moves in this game still receive stun.

Wow, the things one learns daily. Didn’t know that at all :eek:

I guess I’ll have to try being even more careful when going nuts with absorbs.

[SweetJohnnyV]

What are her standard punish combos for blocked/whiffed/crumple if you don’t have a stored fireball or ultra?

So far, I’ve been using cr.HP xx HK Pinwheel. That seems fine for general cases, but I just played a match and scored a crumple and tried that and the pinwheel whiffed. Did I do it wrong and/or are there other punish combos I should be going for?

[Kail]

My punishes I don’t think are the ideal. Depends on the situation. I’ve been trying to maximize the damage.

If you have around 3-5 frames I suggest doing s.lk, c.mp xx hk pinwheel. Some xaracters you can use c.lk, c.hp xx hk pinwheel. If they’re standing I would do s.lk, s.lp, c.mp xx hk pinwheel. Or if you can replace c.mp with c.hp.

If you have frames just do c.mp xx hk pinwheel or c.hp xx hk pinwheel.

Now with a fireball you wanna use sc.mp xx fireball, c.mk xx pinwheel. If you’re fishing for damage off a c.mk xx fireball at max range do fadc c.hp xx hk pinwheel.

On a dizzy if I have no fireballs stored and I can in the corner ill store 3 and do a 3 fireball combo. Character specific. A least do a 2. Not the best damage but not bad and great meter building.

[Vulcan_Hades]

Also, watch out for negative edge when you try cr.hp xx hk/ex pinwheel. Can’t count the number of times I got a stupid kasatushi instead of a pinwheel because I input it too fast. I suggest holding down HP while you do hk pinwheel to make sure you don’t get fucked in the ass.

[Kail]

Also, watch out for negative edge when you try cr.hp xx hk/ex pinwheel. Can’t count the number of times I got a stupid kasatushi instead of a pinwheel because I input it too fast. I suggest holding down HP while you do hk pinwheel to make sure you don’t get fucked in the ass.

I don’t suggest fixing a bad habit with another bad habit. I suggest actually learning the combo as crisp as you can. This isn’t a combo that you need shortcuts. These are a few that I try and practice often.

[deice_1]

What are her standard punish combos for blocked/whiffed/crumple if you don’t have a stored fireball or ultra?

So far, I’ve been using cr.HP xx HK Pinwheel. That seems fine for general cases, but I just played a match and scored a crumple and tried that and the pinwheel whiffed. Did I do it wrong and/or are there other punish combos I should be going for?

That’s basically the goto punish. cr.HP xx EX Pinwheel if you can spare the meter. Only situation I’ve seen the Pinwheel whiff when the cr.HP hit is, if you focus crumple and do it way too late so the opponent is in the airborne frames and the cr.HP juggles, then pinwheel cannot connect and you eat ultra punish Either do cr.HP faster after hitting FA, or if you don’t have the time, common tactic is to just Sweep and go for the oki.

[SweetJohnnyV]

Thanks for all the great answers!

Also, watch out for negative edge when you try cr.hp xx hk/ex pinwheel. Can’t count the number of times I got a stupid kasatushi instead of a pinwheel because I input it too fast. I suggest holding down HP while you do hk pinwheel to make sure you don’t get fucked in the ass.

That happened to me once last night while playing someone who wasn’t very good at a point where it would’ve almost finished him off. I think he thought I was taunting him because he just stood still even after the move was done and let me finish him off.

If you’re fishing for damage off a c.mk xx fireball at max range do fadc c.hp xx hk pinwheel.

What is her frame advantage off of cr.MK xx release FADC? I’ve started practicing her FADC combos, but so far I fail more than succeed with landing cr.HP xx HK pinwheel. cr.MK xx HK pinwheel seems a little easier so far. How tight is that cr.HP link?

On a related note, what’s the best source for her frame data? It seems like some of the data on EventHubs is wrong.

[Lion_Jak]

http://wiki.shoryuken.com/Super_Street_Fighter_IV/Juri