Midwest team for SF4 EVO 5 on 5 6/12 5PM at EVO NORTH!

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Calm down, man. :smile: Jeez, I didn’t take a shit on your face, you know? I’m just trying to talk about this. Like I said before, none of this is meant to be an attack or anything, I’m not trying to be a dick, I just wanted to post in this thread and ask a couple of questions.

I’m not trying to start shit with anyone, seriously, I have respect for all of you guys. :tup:

So, look. I don’t know how this works, plain and simple. I know FloE was assigned to pick the team for our region, but I didn’t know that meant he had to fill one of the spots. If that’s the case, then you’re right, my whole post was pointless. If that’s not the case, then why not play for it?

There are tons of people out there who organize tournaments and do other things to benefit the SF community. That’s great! We need more of them. But that shouldn’t, in my mind, guarantee them special treatment at the events. For example, just because Shogo opened up an arcade in LA, does that mean he should get an automatic first-round bye at every ranbat they hold? Obviously not, but how is that different from this?

People generally don’t help out the community in order to gain those sorts of perks. They do it for the game, for the community itself, and they do get a ton of respect for it. Should they get any perks? In some places, yeah. Bringing a PS3 and SFIV to EVO North gets you free entry to a few games. This is a great perk, and it’s fair to everybody. But perks like that shouldn’t extend into actual gameplay.

We have someone from Minneapolis in the Gamespot finals, too. We have someone who’s been running our MN community, our website, and our tournaments for longer than I’ve been playing Street Fighter competitively. Personally, I spent a bunch of money on a recording setup and I spend 10-12 hours editing after every ranbat so that we have good-quality match videos. As far as I’m concerned, none of us deserve special treatment in-game.

It’s a matter of the contribution not matching up to the reward.

Contributing time, money, space, and the like - these should win you similar perks. No entry fees, the ability to start your match a little later, a free drink now and then, etc.

Constantly winning tournaments in a specific game for an extended period of time - this should win you similar perks in that game. Like automatic qualification, first picks for team battles, etc.

That’s all I’m trying to get at. It’s just my opinion. I don’t speak for anyone else, I’m definitely not trying to start anything with anyone. I don’t want to argue about it, I just want to talk about it. If no one else does, I’ll shut up. :rofl:

Let’s just not start eating each other, cool?

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Did you not read what I wrote saying Ari WON the GameStop Midwest Region. All 3 Rounds. On a pad, no doubt. Chicago being a tougher region than most. You bringing up the Minnesota region winner though is where it really stands, I think you believe HE should be the Captain is what I am assuming…

This is starting to sound like when Valle was being questioned…

He also has NOT LOST a tournament or even come CLOSE to losing at the Nickel City tournaments. This is why he was named Captain. He was not named Captain for “helping with tournaments” or anything. Shogo opening an arcade and Ari winning 6 SF tournaments are two completely different things.

Seriously, I have no idea why anyone would question Ari, who’s been top 3 in the Midwest almost every game he has played since CVS2. He was named Captain of the team really because he is the King of the Mountain right now over there.

I just think in this day and age, people think that Joe Idaho or Johnny Donuts is coming out of the blue because he placed 1st place at the soda shop tournament in Cheyenne, WY, but goes to MWC and thinks 25th is a success, but it’s not the case here.

Bottom line, Ari is qualified for his SKILL and tournament WINS like I previously stated.

I opened an arcade myself, and I was named Team Captain for my region because I’ve been doing the same things Ari has in his region (winning GameStop and other tourneys) but HE is the one being questioned? LOL, that’s a riot

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Jesus man, please, chill out. Why get so aggro about this? Seriously, I’m not attacking you or Ari, just take a deep breath. I’m a nice guy.

That Gamestop tourney wasn’t for the whole midwest. It was one of four in the midwest. There are people from Chicago, Minneapolis, Ohio and Kentucky attending the finals. So yes, he did win round three, but so did someone from our scene, and so did two other people from the area. Personally, I don’t think the Gamestop tourney should be used as an example anyways since it’s played single elimination on 360 pads (still, kudos to pros that are able to adapt to pad, that shit’s tough).

And no, I don’t think that our Gamespot winner should be the captain. At all. A bunch of us didn’t even play in it because it was on pads. I don’t think he should, and I don’t think that the head of our MN community should. No one should get a spot automatically, that’s what I’m saying. If the people designated to pick the teams are required to be on them, then let me know. I wasn’t aware of that, and I’m still not sure what the rules are.

I totally get that Ari/FloE is a pro at a ton of different games, and if this were a qualifier for any of those games, I would agree with you. If he’s been wrecking the midwest in ST or 3s or CvS2 for years, then he deserves a spot for those games. That’s been earned, no question.

But this game hasn’t been out for years. We’re all still new to it. The only people that’ve really really proven themselves in SFIV are from NY and CA. No one from the midwest placed Top 10 at Final Round. Even more importantly, most of us haven’t even gotten to play each other yet. There haven’t been many (any?) huge SFIV gatherings in our area. That means that no one gets to say they’re the best yet, straight up. No one’s proven it yet. Simple as that.

I don’t doubt in any way that Ari has a great Sagat. I don’t doubt that he’d destroy me if we played. I don’t doubt that there are great SFIV players in Chicago. But that doesn’t mean that he (or anyone else) should be able to claim that they’re the best. For as long as I’ve been playing any sort of games competitively, you’ve had to prove that you were the best.

So all I’m saying is, while I believe (on word alone) that Ari/FloE is one of the Top 5 players in our region, I also believe that those spots should be earned. Not in the future, not once there’ve been a few tourneys in the midwest, but for this. Just for this. It’s the first major SFIV tourney that’s been held in our region, it only makes sense to give everyone an equal treatment. And if Ari is really the best, then he won’t have any trouble qualifying. That’s not a challenge, you know? It’s just a fact. It should be an easy win for him. And then it’ll shut me and anyone else up.

Please though, just don’t post anymore telling me why I’m retarded. I’m doing my best to stay chill about this with you yelling at me. If you don’t agree, that’s fine, but please cool it down a little. I’m not trying to start a fight with anyone here.

Ari, I feel weird posting about you instead of to you. Know that I have no bad intentions, no hard feelings. I’m just asking.

Cool?

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You don’t know me. Don’t tell ME to chill out about this. If someone is NAMED a Captain in ANYTHING, they don’t play for a spot unless they think they should. No one is getting “aggro” and no one called you “retarded” so quit putting words in my mouth. No one is “yelling” either. I am sick of people on the internet assuming they are being “yelled” or “screamed” at when I am typing the same words as anyone else.

This whole thing about people who have “proven” themselves. Ari did not go to Final Round. If he did, he would have been in the top 10 for sure, so that’s not going to matter on this. The people that placed were mostly people who have been playing the game since August, but I think as well you are attributing things to false hype.

This whole SoCal thing…they have people claiming so and so has no 1 X character in the nation. What tournaments have they won except for local ones? You see my point? Yes, I know Gootecks and Mike Ross went to Final Round, but you’re completely being hypocritical when you say the game has been out for X amount of time, but SoCal is proven and no one knows, so and so, etc.

What we do know is that Ari “for now” is the most deserving of being Captain and he is the one who gets to choose how the team is formed. That’s it.

And about Kentucky. I won Kentucky. I am not from the Midwest. If the GameStop tourneys are not used as a basis, then someone must be beating CoyoteGrey in MInnesota, right? You limit your area of people traveling to these things, and not many people were going to go outside of the Dakotas to get to Minnesota for that tournament.

All in all, he deserves the spot. This should never have been brought up in the first place. I don’t know how many “deserving” Midwest players are even going to EVO, but I am sure more of them would be from Chicago which by default has the best comp in the Midwest by volume.

I’m sorry if you feel I come across angry with this, but I will let Ari post about this from now on since I’m not in the Midwest discussion anyway, so this should have nothing to do with me, but I made that post about supposed tournament people for a reason. It’s like asking why Justin Wong would be named Captain at a game he won tourneys at when he hasn’t played Billy “The Fish” Jenkins from Maine or something who won his local deli tournament. That’s the point I am trying to make.

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I didn’t know you were in the Midwest Akzidenz, we’ve played some matches online in IV. Always fun playin ya.

Going to be very interesting to see who makes it on the team. Even more of an incentive to travel to MWC now.

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dude stfu seriously everyone should play for the fucken spot! plain and simple! IF HE IS THAT DAMN GOOD NO WORRIES RIGHT???!!! Im sure in the end theyd end up with the best team possible? isnt that the whole point? he was just sayin exactly how it is? He didnt even say floe wasnt good he even said he is good but still gotta play for spots? Im not even goin to evo but it’s still the right way and right thing to do. 5 months from now someone can very well become leveled up cant they? gettin all angry @ him for no reason

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I think FloE said he would play for it too, so your whole point it kind of Moot,TR has a point. And sadly, like he says, Chicago has the best comp. Alot of us STL peeps are going to MWC, but chances are? We’re going to lose, because Chicago has more players, more Comp, and many more tournaments.

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Okay, I’m gonna take one quick break here. I’m sorry if I offended you at all. Seriously, I am, I’m not just saying that. I feel like I’m reading some aggression into what you’re typing, maybe you are with me too. The internet is lame like that. But I’m not trying to be a dick at all here, I’m just talking.

Here’s how I see it. Of course you and anyone else are free to disagree. As far as Final Round is concerned - If someone didn’t go to a tournament, in my opinion, they don’t get to say how they “would’ve” placed. I don’t care if it’s Justin Wong talking about how he “would’ve” placed in some tourney in the middle of Alaska. Results are results. And you’re right that I might be putting too much emphasis on it because of hype. But it’s still the most recent tourney where the top players from NY and CA have gotten to play each other. NY and CA have typically had the most dominant scenes for SF games. So there’s not much else that you can base it on if we’re talking about skill nationwide.

Yes, there are people beating Coyotegrey in MN. Honestly, we don’t get to play him that much lately because he’s been busy with other stuff. But there are people who’ve proven that they can beat him consistently.

I agree that, based on what we know (and what I’ve heard), Ari is the best person to be the team captain for the midwest. He sounds like he’s the most deserving person. And I’m in no place to be talking about who deserves what. Like I said, I’m new to the area. Compared to the two of you, I’m new to fighting games. :rofl: But because there haven’t been any regional tourneys yet, no one deserves (in my opinion) a spot on the team. I think there’s a difference between deserving a captain/organizer role and deserving a spot on the team itself.

As far as volume is concerned, Chicago doesn’t have MN beat by that much. Their last ranbat had 32 people in it. Ours had… 27, I think? Also, we’ve had 50-man tourneys here, strictly local tourneys, organized within a week’s notice. The amount of people playing SFIV in Minneapolis is pretty large. (But it also might be that the Chicago ranbats are getting cut off at 32 so that the bracket is even, I don’t know how they do it).

One more thing, regarding people coming “out of the blue” to do well… Coyotegrey is someone who came out of nowhere and started doing well. In fact, at our last ranbat, 3 of the Top 4 finishers were relative newcomers. Including the guy who took 1st. And not including Coyotegrey (who wasn’t there). So while I agree with you that, generally, people don’t come out of nowhere and start placing… our scene has shown that it happens. My guess is that it’s pretty normal for that to happen with new games. I mean, some of the top players in the country right now weren’t ever top players at 3s or ST. Especially when it comes to people that are beasting with the new characters.

It’s a new game, there’s new blood, and it’s a pretty even playing field at the start of a game’s lifespan. I guess that’s my whole point, boiled down to its core.

(Oh, and for Kentucky… I know that EVO North/MWC considers it part of the “midwest.” I haven’t lived here long, I don’t know what’s considered midwest and what’s not. Do you consider it part of the south, then?)

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Akzidenz: I live in Tennessee and Kentucky is really on the cusp. We consider it the South, and a lot of people consider it the Midwest, but based on where I live (Nashville), it’s definitely the South, but that was the region I was supposed to go to for Round 3.

Chicago had 70+ for the 1st Ranbat, and probably would have had more from the South Side if it was not all the way up near Wisconsin practically. (Nickel City is only 35-40 miles or so from the Wisconsin border…)

Only reason I asked about Coyotegrey is because on his Twitter it looked like he had been winning all the tourneys up there…

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Yeah, okay, that makes sense. For round 3 we actually had people from all over the place. North Dakota, Michigan, there was even some dude from Socal (San Diego, I think?) who got sent there. That dude got knocked out in the first match, too.

Holy fuck, 70? I wish we had that many people here. Why were there only 32 at the last ranbat, then? Are they cutting it off? Having pre-qualifiers or something? I wish Chicago were just a little closer so that we could compete with them more often.

And yeah… Not to speak for Coyotegrey, but he did win a tournament lately. I think it was a pads tourney, so most of us didn’t go. He seems to go to all of the tourneys lately except for our ranbats. :rofl: But yeah, he’s really talented, there’s a ton of new talent in Minneapolis. Trying to get the old schoolers sweating, you know?

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sorry im not playing for my spot…im going to be busy with running the rest of the qualifiers that day… and in my opinion and a lot of other peoples opinions ive earned this spot…if you want to disagree thats fine but this is not a democracy…wes gave out a couple spots in the sthd 5 on 5(a game there have been no major mw tournys for yet) to the most deserving ST players and no one had a problem with it…ive more then proven myself in basicly every other competive game…like…ever…INCLUDING sf4…and i see nothing wrong with doing the same as wes and LOTS of other captains…there will still be 4 spots for you guys to fight over and i wish you all gl so we can make this the strongest mw team possible!

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first ranbat did have 70. 2nd ranbat they cut it to only 360 for ease of use for the tournament which cut down their numbers some (pad players, PS3 players etc…) and only had 32 or whatever.

In the end its up to Ari. If he decides to play for his spot thats up to him and if he decides to keep his spot then thats his right as well as captain. Whether someone from cali or mn agrees or disagrees with it.

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Saying you guys are going to lose before you even play, of course you’re going to lose! In your head you’re already saying “chances are we’re going to lose” and when you have that mentality you’re entering the tournament as someone who is there to lose.

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Ari’s pretty fair about this kind of stuff, and if he sees something/someone that thinks deserves a spot over him, then he’ll probably offer to play for it.

But he is the captain, and the way his team is picked is his decision. If he feels that there are 5 players better than himself in the MW, then he’ll let them be the team.

Also, he doesn’t really need to play Sagat. If anything, he can use any character the team is lacking. If someone decided to try to qualify w/ Sagat, and succeeds, then the team can decide what to do.

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If floe believes that him being on the team is best for the midwest, then so be it I’m behind him. He was given the ability to choose the team and build it in whatever way he thinks will benefit us the most, I think having 4 open spots is more than generous.

Also we have to understand is that there’s a HUGE difference in pressure and nerves at Evo on the bigscreen in an exhibition in front of literally a thousand people versus on a TV in a hotel or back of an arcade. We need people who we know won’t crack under situations and this qualifying tourney will sure show skill in game, but it won’t compare to the nerve that Evo will put you under so floe will need to discern who he thinks has it also and won’t crack.

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What’s going on here? People questioning Ari? Well I’ve got my ass handed to my personally from Ari at MWC and have no issues with him being a captain and getting a spot. Thing that annoys me is all these new people coming to SF4 questioning people who have been top players for years. No respect at all.

Read a bit then STFU I say.

Best I can do at this point is help Coyotegrey get up to speed with high level play of this game. But ultimately it’s up to him to to show up and train with us. If he decides it’s not worth his time to train with us then so be it. This would be unfortunate as it will not represent MN in the least.

Angry drunken rant over.

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I like Ari in SF4 over any other midwest player for $1000 minimum 3 of 5 games.

Any takers?

Didn’t think so. :rofl:

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Imma be busting my ass to make this team.

More important people need to remember you BETTER be going to EVO world if your even thinking of trying to qualify on the team.

My bags are pretty much packed.

See yall at MWC.

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It was just me, really. And I wasn’t actually questioning anyone. It wasn’t personal at all. It had nothing to do with Ari’s skill or anything like that. I was just questioning whether the system itself was fair. I’ll drop it, you guys have been here a lot longer than I have and you’re obviously cool with everything. Sorry to make a big deal about it.

I wasn’t trying to disrespect anyone. I don’t know Ari or TR or anyone outside of our scene. It started out as a simple question and got blown out of proportion. Chalk it up to me being new here. Apologies if I rubbed anyone the wrong way.

Cool?

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Don’t get me wrong, I’m busting my ass trying to get better so I can get on the team and do good in the tourney. Just saying it’s probable, since they get much more practice and not online. We only have one good Sagat here, so I don’t get much Sagat practice. What we do have are a FUCKLOAD of Balrogs and Blankas.

And one Hype El Fuerte.