I got to disagree on that one. No, none of them have been really good, but they’ve either had some charm or moments that raised their value a bit. I mean I just watched the first one, and short of the time spent on humans, it was actually solid all around. The second one was random, but had moments, the third one…yeah the trend down hill continues…
Then this landed on our laps, they removed the corny stuff, good positive step, but didn’t fill it with anything worth while. Where was my awesome fight scene? My awesome street chase? Yeah those type of scenes were there, but they weren’t as good as the first few movies (which says a lot). They didn’t fill it with a good plot, and instead through in plotholes. They took some good quality actors and seem to try and make them bad actors and duplicates of characters of old that we already said we didn’t like. They literally took the same shit from before, let it get older, froze it, wrapped it in a snickers bar, and tried to pass it off as candy ice cream…when its still literally shit that’s gotten worse with age.
I went on a Sunday morning for the cheap show and the theater was packed. Granted mostly kids with parents but i had sneaking suspicion this is going to maybe produce another one? LOL.
You know how somehow Capcom keeps pumping out Resident Evil movies, despite them…not being…‘good’. If it makes a bathtub made of money to put money in made from the endeavor, why stop? This was the first $100 mill movie of the year thus far…so expect another one.
You are definitely right about point 1. To be honest, I really don’t want to see a “Unicron” in this universe. That takes the scope to a whole other level of scope and I feel that it’d be too scif-fi for the casual viewer. Bay-hate would be on a whole different level if you brought in a transforming planetoid. I love G1 to death, but that’s not an element that I would like to see re-done shot for shot.
The elements of this movie are there, combining things from the Animated Series (Lockdown and Megs-Headroom) and IDW comics (transformers being hunted by the military) . Really what we need is actually a military focused story that has the big bad Galvatron himself as the uber threat. Unicron honestly is not needed for this universe to work. Lockdown in all his glory validated that this franchise is capable of having a magnificent bastard. Make it Galvatron and give us total war, from a military aspect and we’d be good to go. No need for the teen drama at all nor the need for a space battle of epicticiousness. We need the Autobots waging their battle to destroy the evil forces of the Decepticons.
I really think the next installment will be Prime-less hopefully, sick of the bastard with a stronger push on the other characters and/or Magnus/Hot Rod or will have Prime ‘return’ to Earth in the midst of the conflict, to kick ass again, again.
I really just want them to bring on more traditional or established writer, and then transmutate har his/her script into a Bay movie. Again, as you said all the elements were there, and Bay takes too much flack as its not entirely his fault, it just needs tweaking early on to erase major plot holes, increase continuity, and to establish a solid base to actually like or dislike some of the other Transformers.
And I’m actually OK with Mark staying on board. He seemed a bit too ‘trained’, but I had no qualms with his character…hopefully his daughter goes to college though and is a no show.
You can’t be sick of Optimus Prime. Optimus Prime is Transformers :-).
We do need to see more of the Autobot crew doing what they do and have some Decepticons that are more than just cannon fodder. They can still bring in the rest of the Seeker squad sans gorilla-chicken Robot Mode and an Ultra Magnus akin to the Transformers Prime version.
I’ve NEVER liked Optimus. Always been a Megatron/Decepticon kind of kid/guy face it, they had cooler toys and transformations…cars are boring. I figured OP would be the Title Card fight, but man through the whole series, the world revolves around him. At least with Sam around, Bumble Bee got some shine.
For the italicized: Explain. Please.
For the bolded: In a nutshell, “Aw, man! Why do the Decepticons get all the good shit?” Robert Epps in Dark of the Moon, regarding the Driller.
Agreed about TF2007, that was actually good. That Hoover Dam Autobots scene, though…
About DoTM, what’s bad about it? It felt like a return to form towards how TF2007 was, at least writing quality-wise(stuff made sense/was justified in-verse in DoTM), IMO. It also felt like it fit the stakes put forward in it(if things worked for the baddies, humanity would be forced to rebuild Cybertron and most likely killed to the last after they had outlived their use, etc.), to me anyway.
Optimus bores me shrug. He’s the Leonardo/Cyclops/Superman type who’s loved so much, he has automatic plotkai. He’s always painted the hero - more so now than traditionally I admit.
And he transforms into a semi. Oh yeah, real interesting. Comparing that to his counter part who used to transform into a gun, before Prime-Porn became ‘whats in’ and now is reduced to cloning OP. I mean as I see, watching G1, I didn’t care about ANY autobot save the Dinobots as they were sooooooo generic. And yes that ties to my frustration ‘now’ - G1 was an advertisement, its OK for them to be generic. I’m sure they pump millions and millions into making uhm…the Green autobot (not Hound)…not Drift…bah, but that’s exactly my point - money thrown at some one who has like 4 lines throughout the whole movie and is pretty much expendable. Optimus just isn’t interesting to me. Perpetual good guy leader with no flaws, who follows the code to a T. He got ‘mad’ in this one, but really its still all the same.
And the Decipticons did get ALL the cool shit…though Dinobots > Insecticons.
DoTM felt bigger than the first two, but that was it really, the plot was HORRIBLE, I mean honestly, the plot/premise in this one actually made MORE sense than what they wree doing in DotM…bring Cybertron to Earth? At least the basic idea of RotF is inline with the G1 cartoon - get Dat Energon. And let Optimus tell it, everyone should just be able to fly to Cybertron. F#ck you mean your Js aint got hidden boosters? I mean honestly DotM felt like X3:LS; throw as many characters in as we can, kill them all, make it big, but why? I mean the scale was great, but that was really ‘it’. If you took the scale of the 3rd, with the premise of the first, and the transformer interaction of the second, we’d have a really good movie.
Oh, and I’ve been a human supporter in the series up until DotM, that’s where it went from “it makes sense to have them here” to “Megatron is right KIll Them ALL”
This is why I think that Bay can do it as long as the executive production team puts reins on him. The scene was tense, continued to escalate, and then closed in the most bad ass way possible. Lockdown does the deed, walk off with his swagger over 9000, converts into a matte gunmetal Lamborghini Aventador (that just happened to be surrounded by fire) without a single fuck given in the process. Coldest bot ever!
I think it was really dumb of them to make Lockdown a Lambo.
Really took down his badassness and toughness IMO.
He was heavily inspired by the Transformers Animated version in a couple of way, so they should have given him a muscle car alt mode instead of that delicate sports car.
He would have fit better as one of those black cars that was chasing the heroes through the corn field.
For the other, “I can watch Cyclops objectively make the right choice, and fight for his woman, and help the school, and stand up as a reliable pillar of virtue and good intentions, but that doesn’t matter, because Wolverine smokes, and smoking is cool.”, that sort of thing, then?
The problem isn’t Optimus, its how he’s portrayed.
Growing up, Optimus Prime was THE HERO that all other heroes should strive to be-- Courageous, wise, honorable, and compassionate, yet still an absolute badass when it was time to fight.
Prime is one part John Wayne, one part Confucius, one part Martin Luther King, and one part Jesus. He is the face of the Autobots, their moral center, and their greatest tactical mind. Without Optimus, the Autobots would have lost the war long, long ago.
It’s really telling when even*(the equally as badass)* Decepticon leader, Megatron, has respect for Prime despite their differences. How many times has Megatron kept another 'Con from putting Optimus down because he wanted to do it himself? Megatron even believes that if Prime gave up his sentimental moral code, the two of them could rule Cybertron(and the universe) together as equals.
It’s not Prime’s fault that Bay and his writers can’t develop and write for other characters. I do agree that the spotlight should be off Prime until the final showdown, when shit hits the fan, and we need someone with THE TOUCH™ to light our darkest hour.
I agree with the many people who said it needs to be more about the robots than the humans. I don’t know why it took me this long to really complain about it, but for some reason it’s more apparent in this movie for me than the rest. Movie is called Transformers, not humans with a side of robots.
I think its more apparent because there were two human characters in the movie that were essentially not needed. Other than that, I think this one gave the bots more screen time than the others. When it’s all said and done, we won’t ever get that movie where the robots overshadow humans, primarily due to budget constraints.
