you know, I have to wonder why some dudes are so fucking butt blasted that dudes are dropping out. Especially when the dudes that are bitching about it are the ones that are “slaying pussy”
lol. Right as I was reading Pedo’s post I run into this.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/02/170207135943.htm
Men are avoiding the “benefits” of marriage for the same reason most people avoid climbing a mountain of shit for 10,000 bucks. It ain’t worth it and in the end you’ll almost certainly lose more than you gain.
-Starhammer-
lol that fucking article^
All these people shook trying to act like they aren’t. And when they realize and accept why they were in the first place, it’ll be way too late.
Won’t click can’t click? Read below.
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Higher Education
As Policy Shift Looms, Left Smears Campus Due Process Advocates As Rape Apologists
None of these smeared groups think rape is acceptable. They simply want protections for accused students, and for the hysteria surrounding the issue to stop.
By Ashe Schow
July 17, 2017
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A good way to tell if the Left currently believes one of their beloved policies will disappear is how viciously they write about the potential change. In this case, they’re trying to smear people who believe those accused of heinous crimes should be able to defend themselves as somehow supporting the heinous crime. That is where we are in society.
On college campuses, students (mostly male, but sometimes female) can be accused of sexual assault and receive no effective due process, no promise of a fair trial in which they are allowed to defend themselves and present evidence to exonerate themselves. This is a basic tenet of a just society. Yet activists who support these policies insist America’s college campuses are more dangerous than war-torn countries in Africa regarding rape and sexual assault. They say this issue is so pervasive, we need to cut down on constitutional protections for those accused of these terrible crimes when the accusation happens on a college campus, because they’re most definitely guilty.
It’s an affront to our justice system, and bad for assault victims, who deserve their day in court and to not have the justice process politicized. Yet anyone who disagrees with campus activists and believes we should give the accused a chance to defend themselves rather than instantly labeling them a rapist for life get accused of being pro-rape.
Due Process Ensures Justice Is Served
These activists are actually insisting that due process impedes justice, and that providing accused students with a way to defend themselves constitutes disbelieving accusers and therefore hurting “victims” (these days, accuser equals “victim” before any evidence is collected).
What they don’t realize is that due process is not just for the accused. The hysteria surrounding campus sexual assault isn’t helping anyone. It doesn’t help falsely accused students who have almost no way to defend themselves in a system set up against them. It doesn’t help accusers who have been told they’re victims when they really aren’t, which is a completely cruel thing to do to someone.
Ultimately, it especially doesn’t help real victims of sexual abuse, who are told not to go to the police but to settle for the campus system, the best-case scenario of which is expelling a guilty student student out onto the street rather than criminal consequences for a heinous crime. This is in fact the worst-case outcome for someone found guilty in the criminal justice system — to get off essentially scot-free.
Trump Team Evaluates Victim Statements
Education Secretary Betsy DeVos and her team may be trying to fix the current campus narrative. She hasn’t said whether she would uphold the Obama administration’s 2011 Dear Colleague Letter and subsequent guidance that insisted colleges lower protections for accused students in order to appease activists.
In addition to meeting families of students ultimately found falsely accused of rape, DeVos is meeting with several groups that insist this guidance has led to more false accusations and a culture on campus that sees anyone accused as guilty until proven innocent. Leftist articles about this meeting describe the groups as “men’s rights” groups.
Slate’s Christina Cauterucci described them as “trolls.” Cauterucci is the same writer who lambasted ESPN’s “30 for 30” documentary about the Duke Lacrosse rape hoax because “it’s a bizarre experience to watch a documentary that expects the viewer to root for a bunch of accused rapists.” But by now everyone knows they were falsely accused. Cauterucci wants us to root instead for someone who falsely accused people of a horrible crime.
Only one of the groups meeting with DeVos, the National Coalition for Men, could be considered under the “men’s rights” label. Now, the label is a smear for some, but shouldn’t be. Men do face issues specific to them, such as paternity fraud. They’re also largely ignored when we talk about rape or domestic violence. Trying to advocate for people who are suffering shouldn’t be a smear.
Harry Crouch, the president of NCM, has said some things I don’t agree with, like the widely circulated quote about Ray Rice’s then-fiancée having “aggravated him,” which led to him hitting her. But the articles from Slate, ThinkProgress, Mic, and others also lump in two other groups with the “men’s rights” label. Stop Abusive and Violent Environments do a lot of work on false accusations, which mostly happen to men, but believe in those protections for women as well.
The final group being smeared is Families Advocating for Campus Equality, a group started by mothers of students who have been accused of sexual assault and went through the campus process, finding they were unable to present evidence that proved their innocence. Members of FACE tell me some women have been falsely accused and joined their group.
None of these groups think rape is acceptable. They simply want protections for accused students put in place and for the hysteria surrounding the issue to stop. A lot of misinformation will be spread by those seeking to hold onto their control of college campuses. But there are two sides to every story, and both sides need to be heard for justice to truly be served.
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Ashe Schow is a senior contributor to the Federalist and senior political columnist for the New York Observer. She also contributes to a weekly segment on the Enough Already podcast. She has previously worked for Watchdog.org, the Washington Examiner and the Heritage Foundation.
Photo COD Newsroom / Flickr
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Ironically, the writer made sure to mention that sometimes, women and girls also get falsely accused. 
Look, just say,“Title IX is some BS and needs to go.” Instead of trying to make it about you. Just for once.
-Starhammer-
I figure this is appropriate for this thread:
Posted this in the Current state of the world but I feel it has relevancy here:
65k in backdue child support when he wasn’t notified and when it’s not his kid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw99TOiFzaY
I love his channel. Usually political but a few of his vids are good info on other things (in this case are relevant to here)
Now this here is one of the reasons why I advocate for MGTOW. Now, He didn’t even marry this one. The kid was proven not to be his, but since they claim to have stolen money from him before on the basis of Child Support, the court is saying that for that reason that she is allowed to take more in the form of backpay…FOR A KID THAT ISN’T EVEN HIS!!! :wtf:
For another man’s viewpoint, I offer to you once again,Jaye De Black.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-ixRphUN2w
-Starhammer-
[quote=“Infernoman, post:1130, topic:179924”]
Posted this in the Current state of the world but I feel it has relevancy here:
[/quote]I think he’s making what it isn’t. 9/10 times, the “friend zone” is a nice way of a chick saying, “I’m not attracted to you, and I don’t want to fuck you, but I don’t want to be mean because I’d feel bad, so let’s be friends.” Nothing more.
In regards to what he said, women didn’t have the agency they do now back in the day, so they’re free to make choices they might not have been able to make back in Shakespeare’s time. Who’s to say more women wouldn’t have chosen to sleep around had there not been the church and morality laws keeping them from doing so?
http://www.nowife.com/why_men_should_not_marry.html
Just a couple of results that caught my eye when doing a search for “Why get married as a man”. 'Still reading a bunch of other results.
I’ve been trying to find out what are the unique benefits of marriage for a man, and I’m not really seeing anything I’d put much value into personally or the “legal benefits” always seem to apply to stuff that wouldn’t even be a factor if you’re single/not married and can earn a decent living.
-Unless you’re strongly religious or make so much that you can afford to lose in a potential divorce, I’m having a hard time finding a real incentive for a guy to tie the knot.
This question has been bugging me for quite some time. The red flags are all over the place and people still go through with it (e.g. Bill Burr has ranted about it for years and even makes a great joke comparing it to jumping off a plane with a parachute that only has a 50% chance of working… but he still got hitched :i_dunno: ).
-Also was trying to look into why alimony is still a thing. This article about it made me roll my eyes, but most of the comments responding to it restored my faith in the people:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jefflanders/2011/07/12/in-many-states-alimony-reform-has-gone-too-far/#1a51d75a3887/
Primary reason to get married for me, was for my eventual children. As a person that never had a father at home it was something that I took very seriously for my children to have.
As far as losing money in a divorce settlement or whatever, I take my kids more seriously than I do money.
Doesn’t mean get married at all. But there are still reasons.
[quote=“DoctaMario, post:1134, topic:179924”]
that first part is what used to be called LJBF, or “Let’s Just Be Friends”. Personally I think that was better because it said outright that it ain’t happening. the Friend Zone IMO, is pretty much the trap as it has been often described as a,“I’m going to keep you here until I need you, but you’re not going to get anything more than a chance to serve me.” type deal. Ironically, this popped up on MGTOW.com not too long ago:
EDIT: that picture was bigger than I thought it would be. 
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From what little experience I have, it feels all too true.
As long as you can see the risks and you can accept them, Then go for it and good luck.
…Speaking of which, where did Core Series go? He should’ve,“Ended My Career” by now.
And if you’re not laughing enough, I stumbled onto this on my way here.
http://i.imgur.com/KuTyuw9.gif
They were right to be afraid. They only had one job, and it was so easy a mound of plastic could do it. Now the mounds of plastic are doing it.
-Starhammer-
That chat/messenger screenshot is one of many things about the issue that is so disgusting to me… the notion that a lot of women…probably most of them… think men are supposed to be perfectly ok to wait around while everyone else is having (R-Rated/X-rated)fun…for years, most likely. Bitch please with that nonsense.
I think it also shows that they don’t truly value any 1 man…because there’s this assumption that “the good guy” she’s keeping around (as “just a friend”) won’t just get tired of waiting and leave (so he can have fun NOW rather than 11 years later.)
Also—why in the world should anyone be ok with being the consolation prize? Why should anyone, man or woman be ok with being “the backup plan”?.. that one that was kept on the sidelines…everyone else got to be the star player…and you only get put in the game so to speak once it’s 17 seconds left in the 4th quarter… “I’ve had my fun… now I want to settle down with someone like you! (i.e.–someone who would barely be worth even the awkward friend-hug earlier)”
The interaction between men and women is such a profoundly dysfunctional thing (*which I honestly think is always doomed to fail), it’s difficult to even begin knowing where to analyze the madness, man.
Monday again? have a vid.
http://i.imgur.com/n895ds0.jpg
-Starhammer-
looks like the women of the millenial generation are getting some BAD news.
The wall. It spares none.
-Starhammer-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXH_vnLLjfM
Another one from MGTOW is Freedom. This time the subject is Tits.
-Starhammer-
I personally really liked this article that I found linked with one that was in here earlier.
I’ve always known this as it seems pretty obvious to me, but it seems like a lot of people just don’t understand.
Idk if it’s off topic though. It isn’t about mgtow but it does have antifeminist leanings:
heh, that was funny to me how they specifically mention Elliot Rodger in one of the graphs in that article…along with Mary K. Latourneau.
speaking of that…wow what a loser that guy was… it is astounding that someone could somehow manage to fail over and over with the girls when he had THAT many things stacked up in his favor… if I recall, here’s what the guy was working with:
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[] -A new car (Benz)
[] -his dad has the Hollywood connections. (dude…did he NOT hear of the concept of “casting couch”?! C’monnnnn abuse the hell out of that advantage, man. Even a simple “tactic” may be to invite them to a “red carpet event” for a debut of some movie Dad was involved with. How is it possible someone is NOT winning with this shit!?)
[] -Because of daddy’s success…it wasn’t like he was poor, obviously… he had new designer-chic clothes (and probably on a regular basis) and apparently a decent sense of style.
[] -He had a “look” too…it’s not like this was some Beavis-looking ugly dork. I don’t think he’d look out of place on your average daytime soap or CW show, actually. He did seem a bit scrawny though…could definitely have benefit from some quality time in the gym, focusing on building some muscle. Just having a good athletic build can easily increase your general “rank”, obviously.
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There’s probably other things I forgot since the story is a bit old now…but damn how can you have all this in your favor (especially the Hollywood connections + MONEY/status! He may even have been a “trust-fund baby”) and NOT be practically swimming in pussy!? How is it possible to be that much of a loser in the game?! Unbelievable, man…
Eliot Rodgers story is extremely depressing and sad. I actually feel for the guy (more for his victims, but that goes without saying) when I heard his tapes I was creeped out, but there was a certain older part of me that understood exactly where he was coming from at least with respect to girls and society. And while I think what most people were saying about him were true, I couldn’t help but think that his path was one that many guys were on the same track. One wrong turn here or there and lots of guys could end up being him.
My take on him at the time, and I haven’t heard any of his tapes since around the incident, was that he was hopelessly creepy. Even creepier than me at my worst, which is kinda saying something because I have a knack for creeping bitches out even to this day (till they actually talk to me)
Creepiness is basically when a person comes off as super intense while also being low self esteem and ashamed of themselves.
It took me a long time to realize why I came off creepy. I can turn it on and off now. But tbh since I’m married I don’t have the work ethic to do it that much anymore, plus I’m just out of practice. There is very little incentive for me to do it. The best I can manage is to make lots of friends, which in many ways I don’t want because if I make lots of friends, they will want me to go out and hang with them, which means I will meet chicks and be tempted to either flirt with or fuck said chicks.
That kinda temptation isn’t something I can handle easily so I try to just stay out of those kinds of situations nowadays. So basically in a nutshell I flitter between being a douche or a creep. Sigh. It is what it is.
Eliots biggest problem was the cadence at which he spoke… even though it was on tape you could hear the creepiness in his voice, and the other big thing was that he just took shit to seriously.
People that do best at both the game of love and at the game of life… are unsurprisingly, the ones that treat it like a game. If you are the type of person to want to play it safe like you are playing a game where you only have one life before it’s game over, you are less likely to take the risks that will enable you to get ahead. Women can see this, men can see this and both are attracted to risk takers more than the risk adverse. It’s my presumption that people are more attracted to risk takers because they know that those people are much more likely to find success in their ventures. Eliot wanted everyone to come to him. He wanted to impress people so much that they would just fall in love with him from afar so that he wouldn’t have to get into the messy business of risk taking. That combined with his intensity level as well as arrogance that he was better than other people, were all that was really needed to make sure that he never got any play from anyone save for if he were to ever wander into a chick even more fucked up than himself.
When you take things seriously it shows a risk adverse nature.
A guy that goes up to a girl and says “daaaaaamn, you got some big ass titties though” might get slapped, but the girl might also like his sense of adventure and be attracted to his bravado. Before anyone balks at that notion when I was in school, I met a dude that was pretty outgoing. We were all meeting basically for the first time cause it was a school for wayward kids (job corps) well there was an extremely hot chick that was inducted one week before us, this chick had it all. Nice tits, bangin ass, sexy ass voice, dressed to kill, legs for days, she was half Asian half Irish and had perfect freckles, plus she just came off like a girl that was EXTREMELY sex oriented. Well anyways, we didn’t know al, that besides that she was just hot as fuck the first time we met her. My Adrian, while we were walking down the street, while all of the rest of the guys were talking about how hot she was in whispers from 30 feet away, my boy was like “DAAAAMN GIRL! Yo ass is fat! Make a nigga wanna holla FO REAL!”
Well homechick laughed and was like “damn he just don’t give a fuck, hahaha” he and her became good friends but this guy was the definition of ugly so he never got with her, shit I probably had more of a chance tbh. But I alway remember that situation where simply being outgoing and not serious about shit got someone into a better position than they were before. I noticed it in my game as well after that. Simply put, a closed mouth don’t get fed.
Eliot wanted people to just know or assume that he was worth something more than the next person, without actually having to prove it.
It was a very sad case of both society and a young mans lack of perception, failing him and his victims horribly.