Thank you Arturo!!! :tup: I’m very passionate about what I do…and will defend it so to speak thus for those that believe otherwise I would love to give them as The Patriots say about Bill Belichick…
“A slice of humble pie” :nunchuck:
QFT. Thanks to Shiki for clarifying what I meant. :arazz: to Lukus for misunderstanding and twisting my post into an attack/fanboy plug, as usual. I used the Triad as an example and even mentioned Josh/Keits afterwards as another example for WHP. These are good examples of why focusing on a smaller number of games would yield better results, both in terms of skill levels and hype. The two feed off of each other; the greater skill displayed in the games, the more hype the game attains, which leads to players getting even better due to added pressure. Plus it makes it more fun!
Blake my bad lol but at times I dont know when to take you seriously and when you are just “Being Blake.”
I admit I misjudged there…
:china:
You’re still missing the point…
I’m one person… sure. That’s obvious.
The reality, though, is that I’m a pretty typical tournament player. I play what I play, and I look at all other games and all other scenes to see if they are worth getting into.
My viewpoints on the SNK community aren’t just my own. Plenty of people feel exactly like I do.
Even if you feel like I’m an extreme hater (I’m really not. I pre-regged for '98 at FRXI), listening to what I have to say would likely lead you in a direction that would appease people whom you would consider less opposed to SNK to begin with
But again, this kind of thought process would require an actual desire to listen and expand the community, as opposed to the typical DG mentality of Black & White, where everything that isn’t 100% in line with what he thinks is merely an opportunity to stand on his soap-box and get all melodramatic.
EDIT- Also, I’m not saying you are a scrub at the games… I’m saying that you have a scrubby mentality. If you play enough, you’ll learn to play anything, but the mentality that you exhibit in your posts is pretty damn scrubby.
You may be excellent at the games, I don’t know… but your mentality is scrubby as fuck.
But at the same time I run into this ignorance all the time…
And as I say…its ignorance…I’m gonna keep doing my thing and I’ve gotten more props as time goes on** than people like you to be honest**…Before I started this thing trust me there were more of your types in the beginning…but as I went along I continued to shut up my naysayers and I will continue to do that and less and less spoke out. Building anything and convincing anyone takes time…IMO SRK isnt gonna be the solution…it has to be done in person…
Like I say…for those that feel that way line em up…I’d love to educate them!!!
Wow, you just don’t get it, huh? How many games is that?
Yeah I get it…but you still dont get it either…if I have time to run the games WHY NOT???
People need to get used to seeing a consistent game list…and that is pretty consistent…
And I will have the time to run this amount of games… Esp at EVO East/North/West/World etc.
Dark Geese I have to agree with him. If you want to convince people to play SNK games, you have to be willing to put up with what seems to be ignorance more often than not (lol trust me I can see you already do from people I talk to hear about it and you probably just got tired of trying to be nice). The capcom players are already biased towards their games and they assume you are the same way towards SNK (and dont worry I know about you doing well in 3S and other games so yea, I dont think you are).
You have to try to prove through logical argument as well as rely on how they more than likely have little knowledge of the game in order to construct an argument to at least help them see past their original bias. I mean you cant FORCE anyone to like anything, but if you take obstacle out of the way like “lol snk sux all its games are broken” etc. then maybe you can turn people on to some of the great games SNK has and begin to build a community that EVO will consider and make into a main event. (that should be your main goal IMO)
so yea I guess what I’m trying to say is dont put people off until you have tried reasoning with them at least a little bit. It is something I try to do out here at tech and I’ve at least convinced 2d is forever that KOF 98 is a good fighting game and that SNK isn’t pure crap like he thought it was.
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What the fuck are you even talking about?
What is all this bullshit? “Overzealous” is a great word if you’re trying to be nice about this…
All this is just ridiculous. You shut up naysayers? How, exactly?
Really, what does any of that even mean? How does that have anything to do with what I’m talking about? What does this have to do with the conversation?
Do you even read what people post?
As I say I understand that but thing is that I can talk all day but until they see it in person it isnt gonna matter.
This guy is a prime example…Even after seeing some stuff in person he still has his views etc.
I’ve run a bunch of circles with people like this before…Plus I am willing to play PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING…thats what people dont know about me…as much as I love my SNK games I’ll enter pretty much any fighting game and support it…PERIOD. (Be it melty blood, TF, Tekken, SoulCal, you name it!) You will rarely hear me talk shit about ANY fighting game anymore.
And the best thing is that time is the best thing…the more time passes and the more promotion happens etc, the more vids SNK has, the more hype it has, the more Capcom players join etc…the less people like him are gonna have to say.
Its like my dad always taught me-
“Actions speak louder than words.”
Thats the route I’m going. And besides if people wanna talk strats etc…I GOT A THREAD FOR THAT…and theres threads for 98 discussion, Last Blade, KOFXI, NGBC, WHP, and others.
Its funny how people choose what threads they wanna talk about strats in
I’m trying to stay ontopic…
If people wanna talk about Kula and Gato etc…theres threads for that…Where I will address that very issue in depth…as well as others will etc.
But I aint because that is not the purpose of this thread.
It’s not about time, it’s about having a small amount of games for the community to focus on, have you not been paying attention? Too many games reduces the strength of each one. The playerbase and skill level of each game is watered down due to competition with the other games.
I still think it would be a mistake, but a better option would be -
Main tourneys = kof98, garou
side tourneys = everything else
That’s just an example, although it does seem like 98 and garou have the most broad support. Point is, raising the skill and hype is much easier with fewer games. If you don’t understand why, read my previous posts.
what , like, this WHOLE THREAD is about lol
Sure I understand that…but what would you do if:
Those tournaments finish???
See and another thing is does everyone agree with that list of two games you have?
I’ve seen quite a bit of dissension…so I’m still waiting on a final decision…
You saw Beast of Fire say NGBC and KOFXI are the main games right? As I say there isnt total agreement right now…I’m still waiting and treading the waters playing chess with the whole thing right now…
Ugh…
I’m about to cry. Really. This is so frustrating.
I don’t want to talk strats…
If you actually READ my posts, it’s obvious that I’m not even talking about the games. You really have no idea what my opinion is on any of these games.
I haven’t even mentioned whether I like the games or not… why are you even bringing that up?
Really, in almost all of my posts about SNK, I don’t even talk about the games. I talk about the community. That has nothing to do with me seeing the games in person (as if seeing RB2 at NEC was my first time seeing an SNK game)… this is about the community, and the way that the community comes off (both in person, and online). The fact that you’re not able to understand such a basic argument is really upsetting.
For the record, I think KoF 98 is one of the best fighting games ever. I think MotW is pretty dope too. I think Third Strike sucks (so much for the blind Capcom bias…).
Most importantly though… NONE OF THAT MATTERS IN REGARDS TO WHAT I’M ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT.
Understand that Havoc but thing is its not that way universally…and like I say…none of what people say has too much effect on me…
I’ve gotta take it with a grain of salt and keep on going…people are always gonna have something to say…but its my goal to build the community…
We are still in the beginning stages…so do I expect people to take it ultra serious right now?
No I dont…but its still better than before for SNK…thats a fact. We still have a long ways to go even to compete with other countries…but I am doing all I can to spice it up and get people drawn into it…
The US scene will get stronger every year…you all have to just be patient…if you dont see what you want now…thats fine…
But its only gonna keep getting better… The Capcom community didnt develop over night into a strong scene in the US either…it takes time so people have to understand that…
I still think we are in a far better situation than when I started this thing last year around this time… And its only gonna continue to get better…I got patience…
Do you???
Playing chess??? I said it was just an example. If you keep on promoting all games, then players will never pick 2 of them to focus on, and the scene will never be more than glorified casuals. You say there isn’t total agreement. News flash: there never will be. Have a poll, form a committee of the best snk players, make the decision yourself whatthefuckever, but right now you’re just spinning your wheels, and so is everyone else. If you’re really “steering the snk train,” then steer the motherfucker.
Well yeah I am considering making a poll for it…thats actually the next thing I am considering doing…
I just am letting the discussion carry itself out further…
I’m trying to gather as much data as possible…
It doesnt matter if there are too many SNK games, poeple will focuss on the ones they like. All the capcom poeple talk about SNK games as a whole, but they all difrent games. What i think DG is trying to find out is what SNK games poeple actully do like. So all he can really do is test. DG is just doing what he loves and you all dogg him for it. Why should he have to convince you to play SNK games? isnt that SNK’s job.
If you are capcom player and you are thinking about getting into a SNK game just for pure competition its obvious kof11, ngbc, kof 98 and garou will have the most players. There is no harm in having alot of games, it can only help to test and see what is popular. ALso DG is just doing what he loves. He likes all these games so he supports them. I have no feelings towards any one on this forum so please dont think my opion is biased.
Thank you!
Now I have steered the ship…SNK people make your choice…the thread is out!!!
Keep all Discussion related to the Poll in the SNK Poll thread please!!
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=147432
-Dark Geese
OK, now I’m gonna get real again: I’ve been doing a way better job of representing SNK than Dark Geese has in this thread.
His approach is that of a religious fundamentalist - stick to your preconceived ideas, quote people without actually fucking acknowledging ANYTHING THEY SAY.
I think this quality can help a cause sometimes, but there are occasions when it does far more harm than good, and this is one of them.
Ben-Ra and Havoc consistently deliver well-thought out posts - yes, Havoc’s tone can be abrasive to some, but that does not invalidate his actual points.
I’ve been trying to keep up with the thread and give what are (hopefully!) well-thought out responses…so it kinda pisses me off to see Geese barge in with the useless non-sequiturs filled with BOLD UNDERLINE ALL CAPS & 47 EXCLAMATION POINTS!!! Seriously, that shit does way more to reinforce stereotypes than anything I could do to debunk them.
For example, I don’t even play XI, fucking hate it in fact, and I could give a decent reason not to ban Gato & Kula: They don’t dominate the rest of the cast enough to merit it, and it would lead to slippery-slope arguments. Oswald is almost as good as them, so you gotta ban him also, right? And Eiji & Kim (+ others I’m forgetting) are almost as good as Oswald, so throw them out too!
If I could come up with that just in the middle of writing this, why can’t Dark Geese, the main American SNK tournament director and legitimately one of the better American XI players, at least try and address people in this manner?
MAN UP!
-Josh