before mk2
The reason the old schoolers can compete in this game successfully and consistent is because they know how to block.
SF4 doesnt have any real advanced stuff, so you can learn the moves of the game really quickly. Then it just comes down to your personal fundamentals.
thats why everyone should play marvel 
once you get good, you just play to do flashy combos, unless youre a scrub who takes it serious.
I agree with this post for the most part. However, the last part regarding Marvel (you knew I was going to comment on this, lawlz xDD), if you’re learning Marvel, don’t plan on getting good for the first year AT THE VERY LEAST. And not everyone plays Marvel just to do flashy combos, you gotta play to win first before you play to do flashy combos.
And that “play to win” part was directed mainly at you, Slogan. 
wow… i thought only sova lost intrest in the game. it’ll pick back up tho once the new edition/patch/etc comes along. here in sova alot of intrest was lost because of other things(real life, getting brunt out from ranbats) and our numbers are slowly going down as well. i suggest that you really think long and hard about doing ranbats before you go ahead and do it.
NOPE… i play for flash… because of this, in all my years of marvel i always see something new…
Mostly this. The older people are just either too busy or just don’t feel like driving.
and of course, lack of arcades
I think the slight dumbing down is good and bad. It get’s the new generation (heh) back into sf, since they never had the experience of wasting quarters/hours in the arcade practicing. And since pretty much most games made today are practically easy mode, it makes getting into sf that much easier. The downside, transitioning to older games and possibly later games.
heh i remember the only time you could find a VS cab is when you were in one of those HUGE arcades or at a rest stop.
i’d say very few people practiced combos in the arcade in those games. why? cause that shit was on DC in japan almost at the same time of the arcade release. people practiced the fuck out of A3, CVS2, and MVC2 at home in training mode.
same could be said about GG and whatever else was on DC.
don’t get me wrong. i played CVS2 in the arcades back when i was in high school (this was when it first came out - pre RC) and learned some good shit just playing randoms. but once it was RC, PTF, SHO TRAIN, etc. it was back to training mode at home.
Robin: I disagree with you on the same people are winning. Justin is winning because of his insane ability to adapt to all situations but he also had access to the game like months before most people correct? Same with combo and some of the other people on that list right? Even you can say the game is not good at all. Shit doesnt your character gief has 0-10 match-ups but this is a good game right?
I understand for the new sf players that hearing someone talk so badly about sf4 may ruffle some feathers but easy mode sucks. Don’t get me started on how many new players that are just twirling sticks and mashing on df,df and think that they are just hot shit.
I bet u would agree, i would agree too if this was the first sf game that im good in. That’s the mentality that new players have. You weren’t around for the actual sf games. Nigga i remember you when your dad used to bring you the the venues and you was on that baby powder shit u remember that? New school players are forced fed the shit we took years to learn that’s the problem
Just my $0.02 as “new blood” and having SFIV as my only base for a fighting game. It does ruffle my feathers whenever I hear people talk down about SFIV like it’s not even worthy of the attention and practice that I put in. I know 3S and MvC2 is close to the hearts of a lot of people posting on this very thread, but I feel as if there’s a naive protectiveness to keep people like me from playing. As if the game has become unpure because of SFIV’s simple mechanics. But I think Robin hit it on the head. It’s up to new folks like me whether or not I play the role of the fish or the shark. And I think it’s an obligation to every player to embrace the change in order for the scene to progress.
It also disheartens me a bit. The major players like Cali and NY are openly hype about SFIV. It’s the main game right now, IMO. I don’t want to be left behind as a competitive player from Virginia. If I hear talk like SFIV is killing the game, how should I feel about the “veterans” I’ll be facing down the road. Are they putting their all into this game? Or is it something that sits in the back of their heads, the idea that this game doesn’t deserve their full attention? That’s not cool.
…just my $0.02.
Oh and on a side note, should I bring my stick or not when I come up to NoVA tomorrow night? I’ll be roaming around GMU/Springfield/Fairfax if anyone wants to game during the day (lunch time especially). Holla back.
It might ruffle your feathers… but it’s true. SF4 is a game designed specifically so that players like you don’t get raped as hard as you should. All the mechanics are there. They’re designed to make players like you want to stick around. For a player like me, that doesn’t make for a good game. I have to now respect your game. I have to be extra cautious, because the game allows you to do all sorts of stupid shit.
I don’t think SF4 is a bad game. I think SF4 is a bad game when you’re playing against people that have only played SF4.
The difference between playing veterans, and playing new players is crystal clear. Vets just don’t do the stupid shit that new players do. Now, that’s true in any game, but in SF4, the stupid shit can win, since the game encourages brain-dead, lucky comebacks, and mindless damage. In the end, SF4 is really doing you a disservice.
I find it hilarious that you, who doesn’t really know shit about the scene, or the games that we all cut our teeth on, have the nerve to call anybody naive.
People who like 3S, Marvel, CvS, GG, whatever… prefer those games over SF4, because… they’re all better games than SF4. I hate 3S with a passion. It’s a better game than SF4. There’s nothing naive about it. The other games have an overall more interesting meta-game than SF4. There is a more interesting interaction between the characters on a specific level as well. The games are just better.
I’ve done enough for the scene. I’ve done more than the vast majority of players. I’ve done way more than you. I’m not obligated to do anything. I’m certainly not obligated to play a game I don’t like, so you can progress.
As somebody who actually knows a lot of these players that you read about, or watch on live streams… or YouTube… or whatever… a lot of them don’t like SF4 either. They play it because there’s crowds that play, and that’s fun. They play it because there’s more money in it now. They play it because there are corporations looking to sponsor SF4 players, potentially.
More ignorance.
Whether we’re taking this game seriously, or not, there are a lot of us around here that are still a force. Take the cock away from your face for just a second. New York isn’t that good. Yeah, they’re hype. But bring down their best players, and have them play our best players (including guys that don’t even like the game, or play it much at all). I guarantee it would be a good fight. NY has Justin, who even NY can’t beat. Outside of that, anybody can get it, IMO. Art came down and won C3 the other month, but he came down with a character nobody knew how to fight. I don’t see that happening the same way in the future. Outside of Justin and Art… who from NY could even win a VA tournament? Maybe Joe? Marn came down here (though I don’t consider him NY anyway), and he got beat by Eric Kim.
How the fuck is datniceguy worried about not being able to level up? VA not strong enough to level up the likes of you?
Why do you care? No matter how much a lot of us dislike SF4, and no matter how scrub friendly SF4 is, you’re still not gonna be beating any one of us “veterans” that don’t take SF4 seriously for a long, long time. Maybe by then, you’ll understand why we don’t like it, and you’ll have developed a real understanding of the scene. Until then, don’t worry about whether or not guys you can’t beat are playing seriously. Worry about yourself. I don’t take SF4 seriously. I won a tournament a couple weeks ago. What have you done?
As a side note, this is another reason I can’t stand SF4. Annoying new people. Annoying new people that think they understand shit because they’ve been following gootecks.com. Annoying new people that worship NY/CA for no good reason. Annoying new people that really think they have the chops to call out anybody that’s been around here long enough to know anything.
Fall back.
people are playing, some of them get smart enough to not spam the bs the game offers up so easily; and then the game itself actually resembles a decent sf. so why the fuck not jason? there is no more comp for the games we used to play.
a. push the fuck out of this game, taking it for what it is
b. quit
i’m doing a, so we need to get that margarita on in vegas:)
this thread is prolly more interesting than the game.
ima go with option c. peggle is the future.
Personally, I take fault for losing my own matches every single time offline. I can’t really blame the game if I didn’t time a frame trap right, and get mash jabbed into a full combo.
Some people do blame the game, and I can see why. It does help out the newer players, and it is dumbed down. At the same time, they’re just getting the moves off that they want for free. So if I eat an uppercut, even though the game is just way too lenient and it wouldn’t happen in any other game…I just accept the fact that it does happen here, and to win…I’m going to need to step it up in a different way and back dash from it and such.
Mashing uppercuts isn’t overruling the game, it’s just a support crutch to new players…which is fine. In the end…the better/most consistent player wins. Sure, top players get random’d out by the underdogs in SF4 all too often. But if the top players throw the game down, are randoms just gonna rule SF4 forever?
It isn’t even like that though, the good players will win way more often…but it’s not 100% often like it is in some marvel situations. In all, I think it’s just the way the game is forcing OG players to play that is turning them completely off. It happens, but it shouldn’t be discouraging for the players who do want to play it. It’s not like every single person is going to pick up cvs2/3rd/marvel just because they don’t like the way SF4 has to be played.
3-4 weeks after SF4 came out, us at SoVA had 35+ people for turnouts for ranbats down here. Recently, we barely get 16 for a $10 dollar entry tournament, not including out of towners, and half of those people honestly don’t like the game but just do it for community’s sake. Back in March, I could have never imagined people to stop playing the game. Half of the people entering SF4 now, are just there to be like: “Hey, where are the other insert fighting game players at?” If this is a sign of things to come, I’d love to see how BB and KoF fares compared to the hypeless SF4.
SF4 is trash because the character development is trash… like honestly, they just threw in the extra characters to help sell the game.
It’s all about SF4.Shit aint no ST/A2/A3/3s/… or Mvc2/Cvs2 Cross-over Game.
It’s 4! 2009 Baby Cakes!.. I’ll say it again… It’s 0H fuck “N” NINE! It’s about all about that 4 nigga.
Let’s hit the danger room Blood… gotta do research, jump in that training mode/ get hella player matches in. What oh shit I dont have the time!?.. Dam… I guess I fall behind.
I hate Starting over… Gotta start form scratch… Gotta learn to walk again… Forget everything I have ever known. He hear we go again… back to the drawing board.:annoy:
IT’s might to take a while but everyone is capable… I know cuz I played all you guys. Much respest.
Look at Iyo OG Cvs2 player… There is an article where he’s was talking to Capcom headquaters about how he had a late start in 4, how he was getting owned at first,… but then… he talks about how he kept playing and how it took him a good while before he could find a way to win consistently. :karate: The game is what it is. All the old school Cvs2 vets are rocking the game in japan.
Even the 3s cats are rocking the game too. Don’t like or dislike… See it for what it is(Sf4) and compete.
I know I say some outlandish shit sometimes/alot but I wish everyone the best.
I have High Hopes for MD/VA/DC
Sf4 is like war… I plan to battle… slash/( If I ever leave my basement).:wonder:
[COLOR=“White”]Or just be like BAS… Dont play publicly Practice in hiding and wait for the next installment.:wgrin:[/COLOR]
Yo… put on your MP3 player’s( cuz the music and stages are corney as fuck)… smoke some ush… and start styling on niggas.
Dont take the game too seriouly… just play and trip out to it.:bottle:
Hit me up on XBl if ya want some player matches… I played Sanford a few days ago… That dude has a dope ass Goki… Anti air Demon… All day.:badboy:
Everybody but Michael Jackson( bless his soul… btw… rip to the king) is playing this
game!? Jesus… It time to get creative… You guy are all artists… I looking foward to see everybody flow again…
Peace…
And fighting games that require you have to spend more time in training mode than actually PLAYING PEOPLE in order to be good, is counter intuitive to the point of fighting games.
Um… the same people are winning in the arcade and out. All of Cali got SF4 in the arcades at the same time. The same people are winning. NY got it at CTF at the same time… justin is still winning. MD/VA got the game at roughly the same time, Steve/Eric are still tops. I’m sure if you actually played the game, you could be really good. You won more in CvS2 with solid C groove play and less with stupid A groove training mode BS.
There is no 0-10 matches. I’ve haven’t really lost to a Sagat player that I felt was less talented than me or something. You have to remember that I don’t really consider myself a talented player. I win by matchup knowledge and basic strats. I’ve never really felt that I deserved to beat Eric Kim, but the matchup screwed me or something.
Dude. 3S sucks. It’s way more stale than SF4. This “meta game” you speak of? It’s an artificial guessing game posing as a “mind game”. There is hardly any distance zoning in the method of fireballs/anti airs. There is plenty of evidence of “good” 3S players failing to convert to other games because of the “crutch” mechanics of said game… whereas almost any “good” SF4 player is good at something else. Matchups in 3S are 3-7’s and 2-8 even amongst mid tiers to top tiers.
At least when you look back at an SF4 match you have to think “I shouldn’t have got hit by X or got knocked down” instead of “I shouldn’t have let him hit down instead of forward”
Whatever. This is not an anti 3S post.
SF4 needs to succeed. If not this iteration, then SF4 dash or whatever. This is why:
- this SF has been the biggest surge in new players in years…
- this SF has been the most heavily promoted and marketed fighter in history, meaning it’s going to get the most corporate sponsorships and attention.
- KOF or BB isn’t going to fill any SF4 void. Period. SC4 didn’t do it, T6 won’t do it.
- it also has completely killed the scenes for every other Capcom fighter. We’re not going back to CvS2 or 3S.
Keep it in the MD 3s thread… foward thinking… 123… 4? Not 4…3…2…1… 3’d is dead…
Grief vs Sagat is a Nightmare. BTW
You might want to mirror next time… lol. / pick up sim for back up.
some strong opinions in this thread and plenty of good reads. thnx for giving me a good hour of literature guys. real talk
HAV, i don’t know you for real, but you are serious business, sir.
No defence, u r funny as all get out, but u drop some solid tidbits.
Tornado, don’t feel as if the full weight is on your shoulders, sir.
Renegade, you’re a good guy.
I appreciate you all for supporting the community given whatever reason you have. Support is support. Personal motivation is good, but doesn’t really matter unless it begins to drain the main thing you intended to build: the community.
It is not that far-fetched that some people will play a game despite not liking it. I can understand that and must say 4 pushes me to go ‘random select’ more often than i ever have just to have fun in some instances. The odd thing is that said people don’t have to make sure they iterate their hate at every chance they get. At the same time, I can understand getting pissed off by some ‘new’ guy who comes to you with a mouth full of ‘i can do this’ and 'i can do that’s…but isn’t this the building block of the challenge? welcome it, and shut it down. as renegade/magman both said, when something happens in 4, there is a reason or an explanation behind how it did happen. i don’t necessarily call that sillyness…how smart it was for certain player to do whatever happened? whether it was smart or not, the question is, did it work? we may not agree with it, but all that matters is did it work…maybe it being ‘not smart’ (and/or unexpected) is exactly why it DID work. just trying to get a footing on the mountain of happenings going on, so i’ll step down here and say keep up the ggs guys
mk comment by umthrfkr was hilarious
again, thnx for the good reads guys. love catching up on the happenings and convos amongst the community
edit: Someone should hold an SF4: Random Select Tourney. It would do well… [best jabs vs most throws vs focus vs anti-airs vs strongest ambiguity vs randomness vs dp resistance ftw]